Plain Doll

A Plain Doll
General Info
Location Drops
Hunter's Dream -

Plain Doll is a friendly NPC character in Bloodborne who allows you to level up your stats.

"Just a plain doll."

Location

This character can be found at Hunter's Dream, usually in front of the flight of stairs that leads to the house, but sometimes moves to the tombstone right next to the backdoor of the house. She will be positioned by the tombstone if your character is carrying a large amount of blood echoes upon returning to the dream after a long hunt. After beating the game with a certain condition, she can be found in another location.

Notes

  • The plain doll comes to life, and can be interacted with after you gain 1 Insight.
    • You get the first insight by entering the Cleric Beast or Father Gascoigne arena, or by consuming a Madman's Knowledge.
    • If your insight drops back down to zero she will turn back into an inanimate doll. You can still level up but not talk to her.
  • If given the Small Hair Ornament the doll will shed a Tear Stone, which may be used to gain a droplet that can fit in any gem slot.
  • The plain doll sometimes falls asleep.
  • She will gesture back if you do a gesture in front of her. Different gestures yield different responses.
  • You can still level up your stats, by interacting with her broken body, if you decide to kill her (she remains docile even when attacked). She will be revived the next time you return to the hunters dream.
    • This is common for speedruns as it only takes a few hits to kill her, making the leveling screen turn up faster as you do not need to skip through the dialogue. (later NG+ cycles add health, so not worth it after NG)
  • The Plain Doll can sometimes be found at two other spots:
    • Near the Hunter's Nightmare gravestone.
      • Will sometimes recite the prose, blessing the hunter, while praying at the gravestone.
    • Near a grave to the right and slightly behind of where you spawn, on a small clearing.
      • Only in NG+ and beyond, if you've submitted to Gehrman and witnessed the Yharnam Sunrise.
      • That grave is the player's grave from a previous NG cycle; the Doll will mention a hunter she previously knew lies there (will say he or she depending on your character's gender).

 

Dialogue

When Interacted with:

Welcome home, good hunter. What is it you desire?"

Awakened from sleep:

Ahh, Welcome home, good hunter. I must have drifted off... What is it you desire?"

Upon channeling:

Very well, let the echoes become your strength. Let me stand close. Now shut your eyes..."

Leaving:

Farewell, good hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world."

Talk during beginning:

Hello, good hunter. I am a doll, here in this dream to look after you. Honorable hunter, pursue the echoes of blood, and I will channel them into your strength. You will hunt beasts... and I will be here for you, to embolden your sickly spirit."

"Did you speak with Gehrman? He was a hunter long, long ago, but now serves only to advise them. He is obscure, unseen in the dreaming world. Still, he stays here, in this dream... ...such is his purpose..."

"Ahh, the little ones, inhabitants of the dream... They find hunters like yourself, worship, and serve them. Speak words, they do not, but still, aren't they sweet?"

Talk during early-game:

"Over time, countless hunters have visited this dream. The graves here stand in their memory. It all seems so long ago now..."

Talk during mid-game:

"Hunters have told me about the church. About the gods, and their love. But... do the gods love their creations? I am a doll, created by you humans. Would you ever think to love me? Of course... I do love you. Isn't that how you've made me?"

Talk after Yharnam Sunrise ending(At lone gravestone)

This grave stands in memory of a hunter I once knew. Though enchanted by the dream, he/she remain strong, and eventually saw the light of dawn. …I pray you have found meaning, and comfort, in the waking world."

Talk during late-game:

Good hunter... Your presence somehow soothes... I sense the ancient echoes, they course your veins..."

Talk at end-game:

Good hunter, you have come... Dawn will soon break... This night, and this dream, will end. Gehrman awaits you, at the foot of the great tree. Go on, good hunter..."

Gifting a Small Hair Ornament:

What... what is this? I-I can't remember, not a thing, only... I feel... A yearning... something I've never felt before... What's happening to me? Ahh... Tell me hunter, could this be joy? Ahh..."

After defeating Lady Maria (The Old Hunters DLC) after reloading the Hunter's Dream twice:

Good hunter. This may sound strange, but... Have I somehow changed? Moments ago, from some place, perhaps deep within, I sensed a liberation from heavy shackles. Not that I would know... How passing strange... [chuckle]"

After defeating Orphan of Kos (The Old Hunters DLC) but before attacking the black shadow:

Oh, good hunter. I can hear Gehrman sleeping. On any other night, he'd be restless. But on this night, he sounds so very calm. ...perhaps something has eased his suffering"

Yharnam Sunrise:

Farewell, good hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world."

Honouring Wish:

And so, the hunt begins."

Moon Presence:

Are you cold? Oh, Good Hunter."

Hidden message:

The plain doll will sometimes utter a prose that blesses the hunter when they pass by, without being interacted with. This may happen either when she's in front of the house or at the back of the house.

  • If interacted with afterwards, the plain doll will say the very same lines as when she's waked by the hunter, as if she were unconscious while uttering the prose. One can tell since she also makes the noise as when her sleep is disturbed.
  • The criteria for triggering this event is unknown.(Seems like coming back to the Hunter's Dream with a vast amount of echos can help on getting this dialogue)


"O Flora, of the moon, of the dream. O little ones, O fleeting will of the ancients... Let the hunter be safe, let him(her) find comfort. And let this dream, his(her) captor... foretell a pleasant awakening... be, one day, a fond, distant memory..."

Lore

  • The plain doll is a man-made contraption void of life, but in the Hunter's Dream she is alive and appears to be inhabited by some kind of eldritch being. She appears to breathe and sleep, yet is built by humans and has man made parts (the most apparent being her hands). She describes herself as "created by humans", this could mean that the body she is inhabiting is man-made but many of her actions suggest that she is a being that posses great power. The Doll cannot be killed and when interacted she has the ability to use blood echoes to strengthen hunters.
  • The doll is the only being in all of Bloodborne that bleeds pure white pale blood. Kin of the Cosmos, such as celestial emissaries and celestial child, bleed gray colored serum blood.
  • Upon gaining one insight and talking to the doll, she tells the hunter that "she is there to embolden your sickly spirit". She may be referring to your beastly curse, and she is there to help guide you in order to conquer this sickness. According to the Clawmark Rune and Beast Roar, the beastly nature resides inside the hearts of all humans. This could mean that the Doll is trying to guide you so that you'll transcend humanity and evolve into a greater being to conquer the beast inside.
  • Later in game, after defeating Rom, the Doll will say "Good Hunter your presence somehow soothes.... I sense the ancient echoes, they course your veins.." Blood Echoes are the will of slain enemies. She finds the hunter's presence soothing after the hunter absorbs Rom's Blood Echoes. The Doll mentions that she senses the "ancient echoes coursing in the hunter's veins". This means that she senses the will of the ancients in the hunter; she senses the will of the Great Ones inside. The doll also finds the hunter's presence soothing which suggests that the hunter is becoming more than human and less beast like.
  • She is the only NPC in all of Bloodborne that takes a kind, loving stance towards hunters. 
  • According to the Small Hair Ornament as well as the Doll Set, her attire was made with great love that borderlines on mania and exudes a slight warmth. The Tear Blood Gem reads, "Perhaps the doll's creator had wished for just such a friend, albeit in vain".It seems that whoever created the doll sought after companionship, to ease the creator's loneliness. Many suspect that Gehrman is the doll's creator, due to the fact that the lifeless doll and small hair ornament are located at the Old Abandoned Workshop.
  • Maria Hunter Set  hints that the Doll, who was made by Gherman, is meant to resemble Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower. Furthermore, the set states Maria held great admiration for Gehrman, but is unaware of his mania.
  • Description of the Caryll rune Moon: "The Great Ones that inhabit the nightmare are sympathetic in spirit, and often answer when called upon." From this description, we can speculate that Moon Presence gave life to the doll or even some other cosmic being inhabited the doll to ease Gehrman's loneliness out of sympathy. The One third of Umbilical cord from the Old Abandoned Workshop states that it is the catalyst that was used to summon the pale moon and form the Hunter's Dream. A note found in the lecture building states: "The nameless moon presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood." This note suggests that there were more than one person involved with the use of the umbilical cord to summon the moon and give rise to the Hunter's Dream. The Plain Doll most likely became alive during the rise of The Hunter's Dream.
  • It is speculated that Maria, the Cainhurst Hunter who was once Gehrman's student could be the inspiration behind her creation. This was later confirmed in The Old Hunters DLC.

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Trivia

  • Fromsoftware's game Deracine features an easter egg where the doll performs the "Make Contact" gesture. This was first reported by user Amazing_Komaru.
  • The plain doll's voice actress, Evetta Muradasilova, also provided the voice for the Maiden in Black in Demon's Souls.
  • She asks the hunter to "shut your eyes" when requested to level up, but the hunter's eyes would actually remain open in the level up screen.
  • She seems to glow dimly with moonlight when she bows to the hunter. It is unclear whether this is a visual glitch or is intended.
  • Unlike other npcs she actually has facial expressions, or at least one. She will move her lips slightly if yo do a gesture that makes her reply with applause.
  • While inanimate, she will patiently tap her finger (zoom in with monocular).
  • The Doll in the real world (Old Abandoned Workshop) also taps her finger, as if alive...
  • If you skip her intro dialogue with perfect timing, it will sound like she says "Well, what is it?"
  • Killing her will revert her dialogue back to her initial greeting, as if it's the first time you meet. This only applies up until you trigger the endgame.
  • When attacked, the plain doll bleeds white "blood".
  • The Plain Doll is immune to Rally.
  • In the story trailer we see a picture of the doll sitting in what appears to be a wheelchair, perhaps implying that she was initially created to be the host of the hunter's dream; a position now held by Gehrman.
  • If you position the camera inside her head you will see that the back of her eyeballs have eyes on it and other shapes. This could be a Berserk reference to Behelits. In Berserk, Behelits are egg shape objects with eyes and facial features on them. They allow humans to transcend humanity and become something else.
  • The Doll (more properly her voice actress) has an eastern european/ Czech accent.



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    • Anonymous

      Sometimes I remember that a lot of people think the Doll is the major antagonist of the game because some redditor had a 100 page long stroke about it and then I get very sad.

      • Anonymous

        Imagine dying when some guy with weapons that look like he assembled from dad’s toolshed, somehow loses eldritch knowledge

        • Anonymous

          You can see the eyes of a character when the camera is positioned inside the head in other fromsoft games, and it isn't exclusive to any characters, you just need to get the camera angle right. The spots on the back of her eyes don't even look like they're intentional, they just don't look like pupils. Even after all this, her having eyes inside her head would be a reference to the concept in bloodborne, not beserk, what does eyes on the inside even have to do with behelits? That whole piece of trivia is straight up bs and should be removed.

          • Anonymous

            Me when i come to hunters dream for first time:where am I? *See doll * I think I'm in hell because I can see Annabelle's sister

            • Anonymous

              The doll gives a round of applause when you finish the "make contact" emotion! this was many of the mind blowing things I found about this game.

              • Anonymous

                "If you position the camera inside her head you will see that the back of her eyeballs have eyes on it and other shapes. This could be a Berserk reference to Behelits. In Berserk, Behelits are egg shape objects with eyes and facial features on them. They allow humans to transcend humanity and become something else." I know Berserk greatly influenced soulsborne games but come on, this is a pretty big stretch. It's probably just a quirk of how her model was made. Not everything that could be remotely compared to something is a reference to that thing.

                • Anonymous

                  Hold up. We keep talking about just what the hell "paleblood" is that the hunter is searching for to cure their unspecified illness. The doll has "pure white, pale blood". Could this mean that the direction to "seek paleblood" is telling you to seek the Plain Doll and by extension the Hunter's Dream? By seeking the paleblood and finding the Plain Doll, who has the "pure white, pale blood", you are able to become stronger using blood echoes to "embolden your sickly spirit", as the Doll says. So...."Seek Paleblood" = "Find the Plain Doll and level up"?

                  • Anonymous

                    For the secret dialogue I realised the main thing that prevented me from getting it was activating the dlc gravestone as soon as I could which stops her praying at it. Another thing I found out or might have just gotten lucky with is that going into the house and coming out the middle door which leads to the insight bath triggered the dialogue for both of my recent characters who failed to get it by approaching her from the other directions. Last thing to mention is that I only got it when I walked my character over to her as you would when sneaking up on enemies but I doubt this is necessary.

                    • Anonymous

                      quick question. If the doll takes care of the hunter when they turn into the eldritch squid thingy that would make the doll a mom figure , so then is the doll a milf?

                      • Anonymous

                        I think it's called a "plain doll" because it's supposedly an imitation of Maria but seems to have no strong personality or real characterization, she's basically a transparent yes-man to you and Gehrman, which lore-wise is nothing like the real Maria

                        • Anonymous

                          I got the hidden dialogue to trigger after giving her the Small Hair Ornament (without any Blood echoes, despite what the page says). This was after killing Rom, but I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

                          • Anonymous

                            I fat fingered the square button, and used beast roar when passing by her in the hunter's dream, and sent her careening to the ground, she got up but I felt. (A Little) bad.

                            • Anonymous

                              That "O flora, of the moon" dialogue is the strangest thing I've experienced in bloodborne. I have gone through dozens upon dozens of characters since 2016 some characters even made on new PSN accounts and I never knew this dialogue existed until it triggered on a single character I made recently and that same character triggered it over 6 times in a play through but I never got it before even on characters who reached ng+ cycles up to seven playthroughs. This same character who got the dialogue also got a 23.6% nourishing gem on the 3rd ever isz watcher kill, a gem I never seen before over 100s of kills on previous characters although I know this gem its extremely rare. It sounds crazy but I'm starting to believe from software implemented some kind of hidden mechanic that lets random charactrers have more rare finds (not item discovery) without the player having any idea. Multiple triggers on one character, zero on every other character I ever made, either very suspicious or extremely unlucky.

                              • Anonymous

                                After 550 hours of playing this game, I finally got the Doll to say her prayer at the gravestone. I recorded it, exited the game to check my recordings, loaded my game and got her to do it again.

                                • Anonymous

                                  Thank god it’s pale blood. I was disgusted for a second. Either way, I barely go near the doll. I usually kill it to level up.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    I cant help but wonder if the Doll (or whatever is inside her) isn't actually creator of the Hunter's dream and the Moon Presence only a jailer made by her?
                                    At the begining of the game we are suposed to find the Pale blood. Later we start encountering beings closer and closer to gods closest being Rom and Ebrietas both having white blood with brown tint. The Doll is the only one with pure white/pale blood. Doll is alo the only one connected to Hunter's dream, Yharnam and Hunter's nightmare.
                                    Also after killing Moon Presence why doesn't the dream disappear even Mergo needs wet nurseto protect him so I don't think you could do it yourself.
                                    It seems to me that the purpose of the dream is only to create substitute for the Doll's child.

                                    • Anonymous

                                      I might have mentioned this on another page, but I wonder if when the Doll channels your blood echoes, is this how the Moon Presence gains its power? The whole concept of blood echoes is very mysterious... We kill any enemy in the game, we suck up a purple light known as "echoes" (NOT the blood itself!), and we transfer that into the Doll who in turn "emboldens our sickly spirit..." When we fight Moon Presence, it has the ability to turn purplish-white clouds of mist into blood, somewhat similarly to what the Doll is doing with our echoes, though the effect is quite the opposite, in which the blood that Moon Presence generates temporarily nullifies our ability to heal ourselves.

                                      My second speculation, was Maria's goal in the Research Hall similar to the Doll's roll in the Hunter's Dream? All the Research Hall patients seem to pray to Maria for salvation, and we find out that Maria had become their "caretaker." When we fight Maria, we quickly learn that she has the ability to channel blood into a source of power--and seemingly not just her own, as we see during her second-to-third phase transformation when she appears to be sucking in blood from seemingly nowhere. (She starts floating during this animation, and her posture is highly reminiscent of the Moon Presence's appearance when it appears in the sky of the Hunter's Dream. No other characters in the game are able to levitate like this except for Gehrman and the Orphan of Kos...)

                                      What's more, the Doll can rarely be found praying to an enigmatic being known as "Flora." Whether this refers to the Moon Presence or not, it seems to have a strong connection to the colossal Lumenflowers outside the Astral Clocktower. The flowers appear to grow from the remains of countless creatures, and the Living Failures are constantly reborn from this decay, perhaps a parallel to the use of blood echoes to strengthen the Hunters. Maria once gave Adeline the key to the balcony, which leads to the Lumenflower Garden that we see in the Celestial Emissary boss fight. The patients here appear to be... gardening? Searching through the flowers? Either way, something in these flowers grants the patients powerful arcane abilities--perhaps because Lumenwood is used for "feeding phantasms in its luscious bed?"

                                      It's a lot to figure out...

                                      • Anonymous

                                        I killed her accidentally :c, i can not live with this, its good that she revives, i saw it now. I was going to start a new game

                                        • If you aim the camera right, to can upskirt, or updress The Doll. Sadly, she's wearing shorts underneath... I don't see how this is possible because with The Dolls clothes on you aren't wearing any shorts.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            so i know probably no one wants to hear this, but it seems to me that the Doll was also frequently used for sexual interactions by Gehrmann. the way he whispers that you may "even use the doll if it pleases you". on top of that she resembles Maria, who Gehrmann had a thing for. i just imagine she's been cleaned just before you arrive in the hunter's dream the 1st time.

                                            • Anonymous

                                              "If you position the camera inside her head you will see that the back of her eyeballs have eyes on it and other shapes. "
                                              It's less berserk and more reference to umbilical cord.
                                              "Use to gain Insight and, so they say, eyes on the inside, although no one remembers what that truly entails."

                                              • Anonymous

                                                Lmao @ "Eastern European accent".
                                                As if an Estonian and a Croat have any inherent similarity in their accented English.

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  "Hunters have told me about the church. About the gods, and their love. But... do the gods love their creations? I am a doll, created by you humans. Would you ever think to love me? Of course... I do love you. Isn't that how you've made me?" Does the doll really loves us hunters or what?

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    I always gesture to her while entering / leaving and when I accidentaly pressed pistol I felt so god damn bad ;_; I had to stop playing and take a walk no kidding

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      I wish I had evidence of this, but I feel as though the doll and the Moon Presence are a actually the same Great One.

                                                      The boss fight represents her anger and grief, the doll represents motherly love and compassion. Odeon himself is an intransient being, what's not to say that there are Great Ones so incomprehensibly vast, that they can manifest avatars of their personality as we act differently in social situations ourselves.

                                                      Given that you may transcend into an infant Great One at one of the endings, this may well have been her end goal all along, as it is states that they lose a child and yearn for a surrogate.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Am I the only one that thinks this doll is waifu material?

                                                        Ignoring the "motherly love" thing up there, of course.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          In the trivia it says the doll has a spanish accent? What? Her accent is nowhere near spanish, she sounds more eastern european, probably because her voice actress is Czech.

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            she was in the second extra location, the one supposedly for ng+ in my second hunter's dream spawn in the frst game...

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              Whoever wrote the trivia part about the eyes being a reference to the Behelits from Berserk probably has no clue how textures in games work. In the second screenshot, you can clearly tell that those are the nostril and lip textures for the face on the back UVs of the eyeball.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                incoming hentai dujins on the doll but seriously though, what is the use of the second doll in the source of the dream?

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  Don't know if this happened to anyone else yet, but the doll spoke to me when I didn't prompt Channel Blood Echoes/Talk. I'm about close to mid to end-game (Mergo's Loft/Lecture Building) and it was a pretty long dialogue. Sadly, didn't record it and don't remember what she said. (It's definitely none of dialogue posted so far)

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    anyone else notice that the tomb she is sometimes kneeling at is the same tomb of the first hunter in the workshop where you find the Old Hunter's Bone?

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Something along the lines to please step closer to her. Was this because I was too distant from the character to the level up animation? Or has she grown fond of me in NG+?

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        Well, I am in nG++ an the doll is missing...Really...I cannot find her anywhere, Last thing that I did before she vanishs was kill the DarkBeast. I did not kill her neither attacked, I also looked if she was praying in front of one the graves, but she is not there....

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          Alright, I think I figured it out, the doll sings that poem when you get the Arcane Extractor and then go back to the dream

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            Did this happen for anyone else? In my New Game + She stands near a different gravestone no longer hanging out near the steps or sleeping. Bug perhaps? She functions like usual unless there is some lore here that I need to dig into.

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              the plain doll seems to be disliked by Gehrman. This is implied by the 2 having absolutely no interaction whatsoever despite being the only living beings inside the Hunter's Dream, and Gehrman's discouragement for the player to interact with the plain doll. The direction quotation from Gehrman is: "You are welcome to use whatever you find. ...even the doll, should it please you." This is a sexual innuendo, its pretty obvious it has nothing to do with gehrmans supposed dislike for it. You overanlysed this whole thing

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                It feels like there's something missing to me. Without spoiling, the doll has a HUGE importance in all three endings, which makes me believe that we know little about her. She seems so... secret and melancolic...

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  Am I the only one who thinks the Doll might be based on Gehrman's dead wife/daughter? You find a cord in his "Real" Workshop, near the Doll. Maybe he went nuts and made a Doll version because he missed the real her? And it would make sense he's obsessed with the "Hunt" because his loved one died because of the Great Ones.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    He speaks in a lower tone. Guys, this depraved old man is telling you to use her for sexual ends, like he probably did. Can,t you see?

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      At first, she was the most appealing female character to me. She has a slow, soothing voice, and is gentle and kind, potentially giving me an impression of a waifu. All was fine, until the ending cutscene after the Moon Presence boss fight. She let out a seemingly menacing giggle as she scooped the character up from the ground, and her voice seemed clearer and more forceful. Perhaps that's why Gehrman despises the Doll? She might be the real antagonist of the game, instead of the Moon Presence.

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        Okay, who deleted my bit about the 'implicit sexual' reference Gehrman makes? Who DIDN'T get rape-y vibes from, 'Should it please you'?? We have a game where children get eaten by giant pigs, but heaven forbid a hunter gets frisky with a doll......

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          If you chose the ending "Accept germahn offer" your grave will appear in the dream, sometimes if you go back to the hunters dream , you wil find her praying for it or she would simply stand up because you spawned near her , you need to look at her to see her standing up as it is fast.

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            Can someone please tell me what the condition is and where I find her ? I already beat the game once and now I'm on my second playthrough and would be interested to do this ending.

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              One piece of info I do want to point out, she asks if you love her the same way she loves you. Some assume that to be sexual BUT we know that it is referring to the Gods i.e. the Great Ones, so how can it be sexual at all? Well, one of the main premises of the game is the Great Ones IMPREGNATING women, to normally have a child (I'm not sure how the Great Ones impregnate these women) you need to partake in sexual acts. So IF, and this is a really big "if", the Great Ones have sex with their "creations" then if we "loved" our creation this could imply a sexual relation. Just food for thought. (I personally don't agree with the "using the doll for sex" theory. It seems a bit far fetched and a far shot from regular themes in the Souls series.)

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                the plain doll has sort of faces on the inside of her eyes if you clip through her head, someone wanna add it to trivia (and get a pic)?

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  The doll is the true celestial great one. She bleeds...meaning she is not a doll...and it's pure white. she loves the player unconditionally. ..like a mother the greatest one needed a child... when you have consumed the cords...she finds your presence soothing. .. she gives you power for blood.. she becomes over attached mom after you become. ..The. ..thing

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    Unlike another poster I did NOT receive the message after killing Celestial Emissary, but instead after I completed the second floor of the Ailing Loran Chalice and obtaining all the treasures from the side area in the corridor before the third layer boss. To note of those treasures are a total of 4 bastards of loran and several Blooming Coldblood Flowers. I think obtaining the blooming flowers may have triggered it for me. If anyone received this after Celestial Emissary did you also complete Ailing Loran's Chalice as well? I think perhaps by having obtained blooming coldblood flowers and having at least prior access to the Lumenflower Garden (I was in NG+ when I got the message, before beating emissary again) causes the line to trigger.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      the nicest ***** character who doesnt betray you EVER and you kill her. FOR SHAME PEOPLE FOR SHAME>.<

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        Has any one considered how pale she is kinda make you think of Queen yarnham or like the faces of those pthumeru bosses in the chalice dungeons? Obviously prettier, she is a doll. She's also incredibly tall and most likely in league with the great ones. They have the whole "hunter trinkets" in the chalice dungeons, what if she's from there? Or at the very least, what if she was originally made by the pthumeru? There's nothing that specifically says she was made by gherman or the hunters we know of, for that matter. She said she was made by humans and she has this weird power to strengthen your flesh. If the pthumeru were super human, maybe it's something they knew how to do and put it in the doll. All that is conjecture with no real evidence. But what mostly stands is her skin tone and dimensions make me think pthumeru build. Or its it has norhing to do with the past and whoever made her wanted a pthumeru waifu :p

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          I had just beaten Micolash and the Brain Of Mensis when she did the secret message. I think it might be random.

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            SPOILERS AHEAD, theory courtesy of EpicNameBro. There are a few pieces of evidence that the Doll might actually be a Great One....a Great One loses its child and yearns for a surrogate. At the end of the game, if you submit your life and die, she is shown mourning you. If you fight or defeat the moon presence, she takes care of you and cradles you in a very motherly fashion. She has pale blood just as the Great Ones and other alien enemies in the game do. While she tells you Gherman is the host of the dream, the dream remains even after he is killed. When you find the original Hunter's Dream workshop, all you find is the inanimate doll, slightly twitching. The trophy you unlock? "The Source of the Dream". There is decent evidence that the doll is actually hosting and orchestrating the dream in hopes that eventually a hunter will evolve into a child Great One that she can care for. It's just a theory, but it sure is a fun one.

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              White blood is a pretty rare thing in fiction, although it has been used before. The androids in Alien have white blood. The doll is an artificial autonomous entity, like an android. I think that her white blood is a reference to the Alien films.

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                Can someone post these? I only started the DLC after I killed Gehrman, but before killing Moon Presence, and the doll only ever tells me that Gehrman is waiting under the tree.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  Please for the love of god, in the facts "The Doll in the real world (Old Abandoned Workshop) also taps her finger also, as if alive..." Fix that sentence, "also taps her fingers also"

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