This page contains lore theories by Rakuyo. Please understand these are musings and interpretations by a player, and are not to be taken as official or representative of other's views.


Lore of The Moon Presence

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1. Introduction

2. The Moon Presence and Gehrman

3. The Legacy Of Byrgenwerth

4. The Holy Medium Of Blood Healing

5. Nyarlathotep And The Moon Presence

6. Symbols and The Moon Presence

7. Explaining "Formlessness" With Caryll Runes And Tarot Cards

8. The Moon Presence And "Nahr Alma"

9. The World Egg

10. The Moon Presence & Lord Griffith

11. Gallery


The Moon Presence is the architect behind the Hunter's Dream. Hiding within the dream, it reveals itself only after the player defeats Gehrman  .

After becoming visible, it embraces the Hunter, wrapping its tentacles around him/her . In the next scene, the Hunter is confined to a wheelchair .

 "And so, the hunt begins again." - Plain Doll

If the Hunter manages to "use" 3 One Third Umbilical Cords before the end of the Gehrman boss fight, he/she will break through the embrace

This will initiate the final boss fight against The Moon Presence. Defeating it unlocks the secret ending: "Childhood's Beginning  ".


The Moon Presence is thought to be the manifestation of the Blood Moon . Several Lore Notes point to the importance of this Moon.

The Moon Presence is first mentioned by name inside the Lecture Building,  there are another three important ones in the Lecture Building.

1. "The nameless moon presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood." - Lecture Building

2. "Three third cords." - Lecture Building

3. "Hunt the Great Ones, Hunt the Great Ones." - Lecture Building

4. "Master Willem was right. Evolution without courage will be the ruin of our race." - Lecture Building


In Yahar'gul, a Lore Note bespeaks the existence of "madmen" who aim to beckon The Moon. This is the Mensis Ritual   .

1. "Madmen toil surreptitiously in rituals to beckon the moon. Uncover their secrets." - Yahar'gul, Unseen Village

2. "Behold! A Paleblood sky!" - Yahar'gul, Unseen Village - This note links the sky of Yahar'gul  to Paleblood.

3. "The Mensis ritual must be stopped, lest we all become beasts." - Yahar'gul - The Mensis Ritual is connected to the Scourge of Beasts.

4. "Nightmarish rituals crave a newborn. Find one, and silence its harrowing cry." - Yahar'gulIn order to stop the Mensis Ritual, the Hunter must "silence" Mergo.


The Mensis Ritual that beckons the Blood Moon is concealed by the spider Rom, who encased Yharnam in a web of deception.

1. "The spider hides all manner of rituals, certain to reveal nothing, for true enlightenment need not be shared." - Byrgenwerth

2. "The Byrgenwerth spider hides all manner of rituals, and keeps our lost master from us. A terrible shame. It makes my head shudder uncontrollably." - Cathedral Ward


The Blood Moon is directly connected to the Scourge of Beasts and when it is beckoned, a womb will be blessed with child.

 1. "When the red moon hangs low, the line between man and beast is blurred. and when the Great Ones descend, a womb will be blessed with child." - Byrgenwerth

2. "The red moon hangs low, and beasts rule the streets. Are we left no other choice, than to burn it all to cinders?" - Old Yharnam

3. "To escape this dreadful Hunter's Dream, halt the source of the spreading scourge of beasts, lest the night carry on forever." - Hunter's Dream

4. "The Mensis ritual must be stopped, lest we all become beasts." - Yahar'gul, Unseen Village

5. "Seek paleblood to transcend the hunt." - Central Yharnam - To "transcend the hunt" the Hunter must seek the Paleblood associated with The Moon Presence.


In The Lumenflower Garden, of The Upper Cathedral Ward controlled by The Choir, one can still find statues that show The Moon Presence in its true form  

The same figure is found on a magic elevator within The Nightmare Frontier . The Moon Presence may be connected to the creatures of this freakish realm.

The Moon Presence also appears in etchings found in Old Yharnam, hidden inside them, which is discussed under Blood-starved Beast & Old Yharnam (Lore).

At some point, The Moon Presence conceived The Hunt. It isn't known exactly why, but when the Moon hangs low, Hunters are sent to kill Beasts.

There to lend a hand is Gehrman. Though he holds the title of "First Hunter", Gehrman is only a servant of The Moon Presence, one charged with a chilling task. 


The Moon Presence and Gehrman

Little is known of Gehrman's past, but he proved himself a great inventor of weapons and protective garbs. He is also the founder of "The Workshop ".

Gehrman's Burial Blade served as the archetype for all later Trick Weapons, while his personal attire inspired a whole generation of Hunter Sets   .

His title of First Hunter marks Gehrman as a pioneer and first hunter of Yharnam. "The Hunt" on the other hand, may be much much older.

Norse mythology tells the tale of Odin , god-king and "discoverer of the runes". Discoverer, not inventor, for runes were even older than the gods.

The Bloodborne godking "Oedon" is no doubt derived from Odin, likewise, Bloodborne contains runes, and Souls has always taken ideas from Norse mythology


Runes are the primordial words that form the true language of the universe. They are words of power, their mastery allows one to command the universe.

In like manner, the runes of Bloodborne are never described as being invented or created, they are described as discovered or "transcribed".

"This transcription of the Great Ones' inhuman voices ripples like a watery reflection." - The Lake Runes

"This transcription of the Great Ones' inhuman voices depicts downreaching currents." - The Sea Runes

"A transcription of the roar of a labyrinth beast," - Beast

"A transcription of Eye, as spoken by left-behind Great Ones." - Eye

"A transcription of Moon, as spoken by the Great Ones inhabiting the nightmare." - Moon

"After the repeated experiments in controlling the scourge of beasts, the gentle Embrace rune was discovered. - Beast's Embrace

"A Caryll rune discovered by the old hunter Ludwig, along with the Holy Moonlight Sword. - Guidance

"A Caryll Rune that transcribes inhuman sounds. - a sentence found on Clawmark, Impurity, Blood Rapture, Oedon Writhe and Hunter


To transcribe means "to translate", "to duplicate", "to decipher" and "to reproduce". Incidentally, "transcription" refers to the reading and expressing of DNA.

What this wording suggests is that the runes exist outside human language and that Caryll Runes are actually just workable translations or replicas at best.

If Caryll Runes are like the runes of Norse mythology, then every one of these "words" has existed since the dawn of time, and may even have existed prior.

If that's the case, then the word "Hunter" has always existed, and it means that "Hunter" is a concept embedded in the fabric of the Bloodborne universe.

If "Hunter" has existed since the dawn of time, then Gehrman's title of "First Hunter" may be more of a moniker, or Gehrman is a lot older than he seems.

It's impossible to know how far back Hunters go, and there are even indications that the medieval Pthumerian culture deployed its own brand of Hunters.

Known as The Labyrinth Madmen Labyrinth Madman, these men afflicted with the Beast Scourge used serrated weapons Labyrinth Madman - Serrated Sickle, to deal with the Beasts of The Labyrinth.

Gehrman is a servant of The Moon Presence and he will eventually try and kill you, but Gehrman himself laments his fate.

Outside his house, if one has 15 Insight or above and Amelia is met:

"Oh, Laurence... what's taking you so long... I've grown too old for this, of little use now, I'm afraid..."

Outside his house after defeating Rom, The Vacuous Spider:

"Oh, Laurence... Master Willem... Somebody help me... Unshackle me please, anybody...
I've had enough of this dream... The night blocks all sight... Oh, somebody, please... "

On the Wheel Hunter Badge, it is stated that the wheel represents destiny, this could mean the wheelchair stands for Gehrman now being bound to fate.

Should you defeat Gehrman without using 3 Umbilical Cords, The Moon Presence will trap you and place you in the wheelchair instead.

Likely you are then bound to gather more Hunters, train them, then slay them after The Hunt. Such is the will of The Moon Presence.


The Legacy Of Byrgenwerth

"Beast hunting is a sacred practice, our prey might differ, but we are hunters, the both of us."
"Oh, beg pardon, you may call me Alfred, Protege of Master Logarius, hunter of Vilebloods."

"Well, once a group of young Byrgenwerth scholars discovered a holy medium deep within the tomb."
"This led to the founding of the Healing Church, and the establishment of blood healing".
"In this sense, everything sacred in Yharnam can be traced back to Byrgenwerth." - Alfred

All the horrific events unfolding at Yharnam can be traced back to Byrgenwerth, the tomb of the old gods   , carved out below Yharnam.

"Byrgenwerth" is composed of two German words: "bergen" which means "to bury" or "to hide" and the other, "werth", which translates to "worth".

The Byrgenwerth area has clearly been subject to excavation, as evidenced by numerous dug up skeletons Uncovered Skeletons - Forbidden Grave and exposed sediment layers Sediment Layers - Forbidden Woods.

What these findings represent is unclear. Most of the skeletons appear human, but the others have the appearance of large wolves or small horses.

They are decisively interesting either way, as nigh identical skeletons appear in The Nightmare of Mensis Rock Encased Skeletons - Nightmare of Mensis, attached to "Amalgam Plumes "Amalgam Plume" - Nightmare of Mensis".

The bones were presumably refined into tar Tar Barrels - Forbidden Woods Skulls In The Tar Barrels, and transported across Yharnam Yharnam Dead Trolley, possibly in order to create Cramped Caskets Cramped Casket Cart Cramped Casket Amalgam.

Such rituals may have been what initially instigated the Beast Scourge, and recalls images of Bone Towers Bone Towers - Tomb of the Giants and the Skeleton Beasts Skeletal Beast - Tomb of the Giants of Nito.

Dead ending up encased in stone is a recurrent motif of Souls catacombs The Undead Crypt The Grave Of Saints The Catacombs - DS1, and persisted significantly in The Phumerian Labyrinth The Labyrinth - Rock Encased Skulls.


The tale of the forest bones may be scripture to the Healing Church, for all over Yharnam, reappears this motif of people with animals Centaur Scene - Cathedral District Centaur Scene - Research Hall Centaur Scene - Yahar'gul.

Owing to the half man - half quadruped figures within it, I labeled this motif: "The Centaur Scene". It may portray the occurrences at Byrgenwerth.

Another engraving is tied even closer to Byrgenwerth. I labeled it "The Forest Scene The Forest Scene - Oedon Chapel", and it shows humans meeting a great deer in a forest

The giant tombstones on the left The Forest Scene - Nightmare Of Mensis, and the trees on the right, indicate that this event took place inside the Forbidden Woods of Byrgenwerth.

"Byrgenwerth is an old place of learning. And the tomb of the gods, carved out below Yharnam, should be familiar to every hunter."
"Well, once a group of young Byrgenwerth scholars discovered a holy medium deep within the tomb."
"But today, the college lies deep within a tangled wood, abandoned and decrepit.
And furthermore, the Healing Church has declared Byrgenwerth forbidden ground." - Alfred

There is confusion among lore enthusiasts in regards to the nature of both the "holy medium" and "the tomb of the gods" where it was found.

The most popular theory is that "the tomb of the gods" refers to neither Byrgenwerth nor the Forbidden Woods, but to an area underneath it.

"Willem, Laurence, Micolash, Gehrman, Maria, and Carryl were individuals at the Byrgenwerth College,
an institution dedicated to the furthering of knowledge and the exploration of the massive Labyrinth built underground.
It was in this Labyrinth that the scholars made the discovery that put every event in Bloodborne into motion.
Indeed, the entire history of Bloodborne can be traced to a single defining moment,
in which The Scholars discovered something deep inside the ancient Pthumerian Crypts.
The Executioner Alfred muses that ”Once a group of young Byrgenwerth scholars discovered a holy medium deep within the tomb.
This led to the founding of the Healing Church, and the establishment of blood healing.”
Deep inside the Labyrinth, the Scholars discovered the Old Blood.
It is unclear exactly what was found, but in the upper level of the Byrgenwerth mansion we can find the Empty Phantasm Shell.
"Empty invertebrate shell that is said to be a familiar of a Great One.
The Healing Church has discovered a great variety of invertebrates, or phantasms, as they are called." 
Whatever was found, it was proof of the existence of the Great Ones." - Redgrave

The general thesis is that "the tomb of the gods" refers to The Labyrinth and that people began digging out The Labyrinth at Byrgenwerth.

It's a good enough idea: The Labyrinth is a place where Great Ones Labyrinth Amygdala Labyrinth Ebrietas are "buried", and labyrinths are designed like catacombs Pthumerian Labyrinth - Concept Art.

Furthermore, The Labyrinth is effectively referred to as the "tomb of the gods" by the Pthumeru Chalice.

"Ritual chalice found in the Church of the Good Chalice.
Use in a ritual at the tomb altar in the Hunter's Dream to break the seal of the old underground labyrinth.
Let the chalice reveal the tomb of the gods; let blood be the hunter's nourishment. - Pthumeru Chalice

There is, however, uncertainty in regard to what Alfred actually says, as "tomb of the gods", may actually refer to The Forbidden Woods.

"Byrgenwerth is an old place of learning. And the tomb of the gods, carved out below Yharnam, should be familiar to every hunter."

"Well, once a group of young Byrgenwerth scholars discovered a holy medium deep within the tomb."

"This led to the founding of the Healing Church, and the establishment of blood healing".

"In this sense, everything sacred in Yharnam can be traced back to Byrgenwerth."

"But today, the college lies deep within a tangled wood, abandoned and decrepit. And furthermore, the Healing Church has declared Byrgenwerth forbidden ground."

"It's unclear how many of its scholars remain alive...but only they know the password that allows passage through the gate." - Alfred

The Byrgenwerth area does show signs of excavation, there are countless bones Forbidden Grave Skeletons, and there are many barrels, filled with a dark tar-like substance  .

Breaking them reveals the barrels to be filled with skulls . I believe this is because the tar contains the bones dug up from The Forbidden Woods .

The area is full of gigantic tombstones Forbidden Grave Concept Art, described by the art book as "Great One graves ", and Great One graves entail a tomb of the gods.

The tar filled barrels are found inside a windmill , which suggests that the windmill was used in the context of a refinery or a quarry.

The Forbidden Woods may even derive from "Earthen Peak Earthen Peak - Early Concept Art Earthen Peak - Ingame Version Snake Filled Forbidden Woods - Concept Art", a DS2 area where windmills where used to process poison.

What cannot be found in Byrgenwerth, or The Forbidden Woods, are the tunnels where the underground digging may have taken place. 

All excavation in the Byrgenwerth area seems to involve superficial digs, no tunnels. Neither are there any Pthumerian relics in the area.

Redgrave suggests that these tunnels do exist, but that they're located beneath a trapdoor found within the Byrgenwerth facility .

For me this is quite a stretch, there is no way of knowing what's beneath the trapdoor and there are no signs of digging near the Byrgenwerth facility itself.

If they were digging there, there'd be debris, barrels, transports, but Byrgenwerth is the cleanest site in the area, with nothing there indicating manual labor.

The theory is itself illogical, because why would anyone excavate a ruin, from a single hole, from inside the Bloodborne equivalent of a university building?


That still leaves Alfred's strange phrasing:

"Byrgenwerth is an old place of learning. And the tomb of the gods, carved out below Yharnam, should be familiar to every hunter." - Alfred

If the Byrgenwerth area is the tomb of the gods, then it must be below Yharnam, and it must be carved out or Alfred's statement isn't true.

As bizarre as it sounds, the whole area around Byrgenwerth may have been carved out of the mountain, as indicated by the sedimentary rock Sedimentary Layers - Forbidden Woods.

There are signs of digging, the barrels do show some kind of material being transported, the windmills may have been used to process hard materials.

The area is teeming with tombstones, giant ones Giant Tombstones - Forbidden Woods, and little ones Regular Tombstones - Forbidden Woods, all of which goes unexplained if you count out the tomb of the gods explanation.

And the Byrgenwerth area does lie below Yharnam Yharnam As Seen From The Forbidden Woods The Forbidden Woods As Seen From Cathedral Ward, not in a subterranean sense, but in the sense that an area might lie below a mountain or volcano.

This would have required an enormous effort, carving out the whole of Byrgenwerth, but not impossible considering the massive scale of Yharnam's architecture.


The Holy Medium Of Blood Healing

"Well, once a group of young Byrgenwerth scholars discovered a holy medium deep within the tomb." - Alfred

This "holy medium" was found in the tomb of the gods, and whether that was Byrgenwerth or The Labyrinth, the question remains: Who or what was this medium?

"The short story is that a group of scholars in Byrgenwerth discovered blood of incredible power in the tombs underneath, old blood." - Redgrave

The most popular theory is that "medium" refers to blood. Many lore enthusiasts adhere to this theory. They could well be right for blood is referred to as a medium.

Human or not, the oozing blood is a medium of the highest grade, and the essence of the formless Great One.

Both Oedon, and Oedon's inadvertent worshippers, surreptitiously seek the precious blood. " - Formless Oedon and Oedon Writhe

The inhuman blood referred to is quicksilver, the essence of Oedon, and both runes improve your Quicksilver management in some way.

The meaning of medium in this context is that of an intervening substance, as air, through which a force acts or an effect is produced.

But medium also has another meaning, that of conduit. In this sense, medium may also refer to a person like a seer, a prophet or herald.

"Well, I'm a simple hunter, quite unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the institution."
"But I have heard that the holy medium of blood healing is venerated in the main cathedral."  - Alfred

"The holy medium of blood healing is venerated in the main cathedral."


Assuming that Alfred's referring to The Grand Cathedral, the object of veneration may be found at The Grand Cathedral altar.

This altar holds three main points of interest: Laurence's Skull , an empty throne , and a headless lady . The lady is pouring something.

Ingame, the liquid being poured is unspecified. The same lady can, however, be seen pouring Quicksilver in the Bloodborne Cinematic Trailer Headless Woman Cinematic.

Quicksilver (Hg - Mercury) is a deadly poison that inflicts madness. In the cinematic, the lady drips this liquid into Laurence's cracked skull .

Headless characters are depicted in other places as well. The Labyrinth is teeming with statues of a veiled woman who's often missing a head Headless Woman of The Labyrinth

The Labyrinth also contains the Bloodletting Beasts, the sexes of which are undefined, and which sometimes have a head Bloodletting Beast, Headed and sometimes don't .

Then there are the Bound Widows that haunt Castle Cainhurst, which come in two variations: with their throats slit Throat Slit or with their heads lopped off Beheaded.

Above ground, the headless statue always has the same shape. It always has a single wing protruding from the back , strange hair , and no head.

Considering these strange characteristics, the omnipresence of headlessness and the connection to Quicksilver, the statue may very well depict Oedon.

If it's not Oedon, it may also be an important servant of Oedon, a human who experienced some unique mutations and is connected to The Labyrinth.

Headlessness is an important characteristic of Coyolxauhqui, an Aztec Moon goddess, and the Hindu Chhinnamasta (an epithet of Kali).

Of Chhinnamasta it is said that she removed her own head, as a kind of taunt. She and her two servants then feasted upon the spouting blood .

Coyolxauhqui is an enemy of the Aztec Sun god. She leads the star demons against him, but she ends up beheaded, with her head becoming the Moon.


There is, of course, the matter of gender: Can Oedon, named after Odin, appear as a woman? According to me, yes, quite possibly so.

Bloodborne's Great Ones are quite ambiguous in terms of sex and gender, and Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep (The Moon Presence) is a proficient shapeshifter.

The Moon Presence fits very well with the character of Coyolxauhqui, the evil leader of "star demons" who moved to kill her mother and her brother (the Sun).

"Oedon" is the god of quicksilver. In renaissance alchemy, the element of quicksilver was considered to be "Azoth", "the universal solvent", or "alkahest".

Described also as a "fiery androgyne", mercury was seen as a substance with unlimited facets, with unlimited potential, and as the path to everlasting life.

Mercury was believed to be able to cure any affliction, and at the start of the game, The Hunter may have set out to seek something  similar: "Paleblood".

"Paleblood" is another name for The Moon Presence (as explained by Miyazaki) while The Moon Presence is almost certainly analogous to Nyarlathotep.

In fact, hacker Sanadsk recently uncovered an elite version of The Moon Presence  that resembles Nyarlathotep even more than the MP's final form.

Nyarlathotep is a being of infinite forms, which is consistent with Azoth, and he's the high chief of the Great Old Ones, which is consistent with Oedon.

Azoth's symbol is the caduceus, the Baphomet double serpent , that is also a symbol of Mercury , who was equated by the Romans with Odin.

"Odin" takes after Oedon, and through Odin's link to Mercury, Odin is linked to quicksilver. Odin is also the god of intoxication and madness in battle.

Baphomet is known as "the hermaphroditic goat", the Caryll Rune "Corruption  " is a caduceus, and the caduceus appears elsewhere as well .


Fact is that there exists a caduceus called Kundalini . It's a sexual chakra, located at the base of the spine , in strange parallel to Baphomet .

Kundalini is related to Chhinnamasta, the self-decapitated goddess who's a manifestation of terror, and the exemplar of spiritual corruption: "Kegare".

The abode of Chhinnamasta is the cremation ground (shmashāna) and there's evidence to suggest that Hemwick Charnel Lane is a cremation ground.

"Charnel" refers to a place where dead are stored without being buried. Such rituals are typical of Hindus, who prefer to send off the dead using pyres.

One of the main produces of Hemwick is "Bone Marrow Ash ", signifying that bodies are burned to ash there, possibly in these furnaces  .

Hemwick also houses these exploding barrels , which most likely contain fuel for burnings, and it's home to those charred black "Mad Ones ".

The character of Chhinnamasta may be connected to this woman . She and her two servants are kneeling at the sides of a shrouded, dead old man.

Like Chhinnamasta, the Great Lady has two servants. In the Church of the Good Chalice, they have strange, masklike faces and display odd veins .

Their dresses are strangely curved  , more like running lava than cloth   . Their faces resemble the ashen dead of Pompeii   .

Odd curves also mark the old man's death shroud  . This shroud may be tied to "dark lava  ", a sort of tombstone sprouting gunk  .


The Great Lady reappears in the Witch's Abode  along with her two servants. The fact that they appear there suggests that they are witches.

The Witch's Abode also contains mysterious wooden skulls , hidden inside barrels. These weird things may have been used as props in ritual beheadings.

In Hemwick, the dead old man, assuming it's the same character, appears different, lying on a shroud. A very similar shroud carries Laurence, The First Vicar Laurence, The First Vicar.

Laurence bleeds lava, and above him appears the figure of the mercury pouring woman . He represents another link between a female power figure and lava.

In the Souls universe, witches are commonly associated with searing fire and lava, The Witch of Izalith  , her children   and her realm of Izalith .

So seeing these women, appear in connection to signs of lava, could be From Software's way of indicating that these women are actually like the chaos witches.

Vicar Amelia, who is found praying in front of Laurence's Skull, was originally a boss set to appear in the Witch's Abode . She could thus belong to the same cult.

Yharnam contains a lot of art depicting a large woman being worshipped . The scene is quite similar to how the three ladies are staged.

This art may also display the Pthumerian Queen, and there is a great deal of vagueness in how this relates to the three women, Oedon, and The Child of Blood.

Beside Oedon and The Queen, the great one Kos is another character of great importance. This female Great One is worshipped by The School of Mensis.


Beside the headless lady, Laurence's Skull is the centrepiece of the Grand Cathedral and may, therefore, be Alfred's "holy medium of blood healing".

But I believe Laurence's role is rather that of a Catholic saint, an exalted follower of the faith. Such men are said to bear an uncanny likeness to God

The headless lady is seen pouring blood/mercury into Laurence's Skull, implying Laurence's wasn't the first "Blood Saint", he may even have been a victim.

It's typical for a Catholic saint to have a church dedicated to him/her, the church often contains a relic, generally a body part, in this case, a skull    .

The central piece, the empty throne  could itself be an object of worship. More on it under From Berserk to Bloodborne - Smough The Executioner.

In short, the empty throne could symbolize the Judean concept of Merkabah, The Throne of God, also named The Chariot. Which is significant for two reasons.

First, Merkabah symbolizes man's ascension. Various esoteric thinkers have speculated that Merkabah is a pathway to a higher spiritual plane.

Second, Merkabah can personify God in his role as judge and punisher. If true, Merkabah would be the primary godhead of The Executioners.

 The empty throne could also be a "Souls authentic" symbol, as the series attributed great symbolic significance to "the empty throne" in both DS2 and DS3.

"The last king of this land, King Vendrick, as he was called…"

He was less of a king than you might imagine.
He found the strength to rule his people, and when the Undead were born, cursed…
He found more strength, to face them.
But in the end, he never took the true throne." - Nashandra, DS2

"Brave Undead, seek the throne.
Follow the symbol of the monarch, and do what must be done." - Nashandra, DS2

"Do you intend to link the fire? Then you must first take the throne.
Prove your worth. Find the ancient crowns. Seek adversity, and they will be yours. And your wishes, granted." - King Vendrick, DS2

"The fire...
Coveter of the throne... I am Vendrick, ruler of Drangleic.
Seeker of fire... deliverer of crowns...
Seek adversity. As befits you, seeker of fire, coveter of the throne." - King Vendrick, DS2

The Lords have left their thrones, and must be deliver'd to them.
To this end, I am at thy side." - Firekeeper, DS3

"Noble Lords of Cinder.
The fire fades...
...and the lords go without thrones.
Surrender your fires... the true heir." - Firekeeper, DS3

What this altogether means is left unspecified, but the essence of Merkabah may not be far off, as the king is also a symbol of the rule of law.

 To reiterate, Alfred's "holy medium of blood healing" could refer to the headless lady, it could refer to the empty throne, it could refer to Laurence.

The throne has no immediate connection to blood, unless its relation to "ascension" is related to the philosophy of blood healing.

Laurence has a clear connection to blood, he may even have been a Blood Saint, yet he may rather be a subsidiary of blood healing, not its holy principle.

That leaves the headless lady, who may be Oedon, who likely is the Great Lady that appears all over Yharnam and who may be related to the Pthumerian Queen.

I posit that the headless lady is the most likely candidate for being "the holy medium of blood healing". This corroborates the idea that the medium is a person.

Other words for holy medium are "prophet", "seer", "herald", "messenger". Nyarlathotep - The Moon Presence - is the messenger of the Outer Gods.

Oedon is connected to mercury, "Mercury" is the Roman messenger of the gods and was, by the Romans, considered identical to the Germanic god Odin.

It makes a lot of sense for the Grand Cathedral to be devoted to Oedon, who just might be depicted in this church as a winged woman that pours mercury.


Nyarlathotep And The Moon Presence

A widely held view is that The Moon Presence resembles Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep, the crawling chaos.

"I saw the world battling against blackness; against the waves of destruction from ultimate space; whirling, churning, struggling around the dimming, cooling sun." - from Nyarlathotep, by H.P. Lovecraft

"Screamingly sentient, dumbly delirious, only the gods that were can tell. A sickened, sensitive shadow writhing in hands that are not hands, and whirled blindly past ghastly midnights of rotting creation, corpses of dead worlds with sores that were cities, charnel winds that brush the pallid stars and make them flicker low. Beyond the worlds vague ghosts of monstrous things; half-seen columns of unsanctifled temples that rest on nameless rocks beneath space and reach up to dizzy vacua above the spheres of light and darkness. And through this revolting graveyard of the universe the muffled, maddening beating of drums, and thin, monotonous whine of blasphemous flutes from inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond Time; the detestable pounding and piping whereunto dance slowly, awkwardly, and absurdly the gigantic, tenebrous ultimate gods the blind, voiceless, mindless gargoyles whose soul is Nyarlathotep." - from Nyarlathotep, by H.P. Lovecraft

"The most realistic and horrible nightmare I have experienced since the age of ten" - cited as inspiration for Nyarlathotep - source H.P. Lovecraft.

Nyarlathotep is said to have a thousand forms through which he may manifest. He's the only "Outer God" described as a polymorph.

He has countless names: "The Crawling Mist", "The White Man", "The Faceless God", "The Bloated Woman", "The Skinless One", "The Pharaoh", ...

As Outer God, he outranks Great Old Ones like Cthulhu. He's very active on Planet Earth and is the only Lovecraftian god that interacts with The Dreamlands.


 If The Moon Presence is Nyarlathotep, the aspect of polymorphy would fit the theory that The Moon Presence is Formless Oedon.

An entity with an endless amount of forms is something without a definitive form and can consequently be called "formless".

Another aspect linking the two together is that the ancient Greeks equated formlessness with the primordial chaos that preceded creation.

In this sense "formlessness" can be equated with darkness, death, evil and the primordial abominations of Lovecraft.

When Nyarlathotep interacts with humans he typically assumes the form of a tall, thin man. Gehrman is a tall, thin man.

While Gehrman is probably a separate character, he is the proxy by which The Moon Presence interacts with the Hunter. 


Beneath is a rendering of human Nyarlathotep made by Bracey100. He has dropped his guise to transform his head into a deadly tentacle.

Symbols And The Moon Presence

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The Moon Presence is strongly tied to a number of Caryll runes. These include Communion, Moon, Hunter and Formless Oedon.

Its face  with one large opening and 3 small ones, matches up very well with the symbol of Communion .

The Communion rune is also shaped like a drop of water, the skull of The Moon Presence is likewise "droplet shaped"    .

Communion means "to get closer to God" and the Communion rune is found all over the Research Hall .

This symbol can also be found on Mergo's Wet Nurse. It's present on the large amulet she wears Wet Nurse Amulet.

What exactly the connection is between The Moon Presence and Mergo's Wet Nurse is still being investigated.

The symbols also fit certain Tarot cards. Their importance is discussed under Tarot Cards and Bloodborne.

The High Priestess is the Tarot card linked to Communion. The High Priestess is the female counterpart of The Hierophant.

The Hierophant is a symbol of subtle and unseen power. He most likely represents Formless Oedon.


Explaining "Formlessness" With Caryll Runes And Tarot Cards (contains playful speculation)

It's actually possible to couple the Caryll Rune Communion  to the Caryll Rune Formless Oedon .

To do this, Formless Oedon must be flipped upside down . It's then possible to get the 3 dots of Communion to overlap the 3 dots of Formless Oedon.

It creates a picture not unlike how The Moon Presence first manifests .

The purpose of this idea is to explain the formless nature of Oedon. Oedon has no form, but The Moon Presence does have form. 

It's been suggested that formless merely refers to being invisible, but that's a fairly superficial interpretation of "formless".

The formless nature of Oedon is the reason he's considered the highest Great One. This suggests something more than invisibility.

Something that's formless may transform into a toxic mist, a great monster or be invulnerable altogether.


Tarot symbology is omnipresent in Bloodborne and they're often connected to Caryll Runes, see Tarot Cards and Bloodborne.

If Tarot cards are like runes, then it's possible that the rules of Tarot can be applied to Caryll Runes as well. 

In Tarot every card has an Upright and Reversed state. The Reversed state means flipping the card upside down.

When Reversed, the card's meaning's opposed to the original meaning. 

Positive qualities become negative qualities, the original projections are overruled and the new projections are entirely different.

This may entail that Oedon's nature can be reversed. Though normally formless, when he does have form, he becomes The Moon Presence.

This also fits with the nature of Communion. The opposite of a formless, unseen god is one that's close enough to commune with.

This could make the whole process of trying to "commune" with The Moon Presence, a ritual designed to constrain it to a single form.

Once bound to single form, it may be possible to kill The Moon Presence. This requires inhuman powers in the form of 3 Umbilical Cords.

Without these Umbilical Cords, The Moon Presence  will deploy abilities against which The Hunter has no defense.

In the cinematic, these abilities are demonstrated in the form of an eerie embrace The Embrace

The reason The Hunter doesn't fight back, may not be a lack of physical strength. He/she simply cannot shake off the embrace of something that's "formless".

The Moon Presence And "Nahr Alma"

Moon Caryll RuneBrotherhood Of Blood - Nahr Alma SymbolShiva - Symbolical Trishula And Crescent Moon

The rune Moon can be seen as two vertically opposed versions of the Nahr Alma symbol (see above)

In Dark Souls 2, Nahr Alma is the god of blood and patron of the Brotherhood of Blood covenant.

The Brotherhood of Blood forms the primary PvP covenant of and focusses on indiscriminate invading. It has an evil reputation.

The Brotherhood is the successor of DS1's Darkwraith covenant led by Darkstalker Kaathe , which too has an evil reputation.

In turn, the Brotherhood is led by a faceless character by the name of Titchy Gren , who becomes feverish talking about blood:

"Do you have a lust for blood? Do you give yourself to Nahr Alma? Then you will need blood, lots of it.
You want more than just a little blood. You want to be drenched in blood, mired in its foul stench. Am I right? Am I? 
Oh, just say that I'm right! Nah hah hah…" - Titchy Gren

The Undead Purgatory includes statues of Nahr Alma , who's portrayed with a scythe , scales  and a particularly black skin .

Tall and swarthy is a description of Nyarlathotep , a shape-shifting god who's believed to be the inspiration behind The Moon Presence.

Black skin is a symbol of the goddess Kali , which is believed to signify that the qualities of good, bad, color and light don't apply to her.

Kali is a bloodthirsty goddess, and her being described as a being that is above attributes, sounds a lot like a description of Formless Oedon.

From the Mahanirvana Tantra ( "At the dissolution of things, it is Kāla [Time] Who will devour all, and by reason of this He is called Mahākāla [Lord Shiva],
and since Thou devourest Mahākāla Himself, it is Thou who art the Supreme Primordial Kālika. Because Thou devourest Kāla, Thou art Kāli, the original form of all things,
and because Thou art the Origin of and devourest all things Thou art called the Adya [the Primordial One]. Re-assuming after Dissolution Thine own form, dark and formless,
Thou alone remainest as One ineffable and inconceivable. Though having a form, yet art Thou formless; though Thyself without beginning, multiform by the power of Maya,
Thou art the Beginning of all, Creatrix, Protectress, and Destructress that Thou art."

Oedon already has a plausible connection to Kali, in the form of Chhinnamasta , the headless Kali, who may have inspired the headless Oedon .

The statue in question is thought to be Oedon because, in the Cinematic Trailer, she's seen pouring quicksilver , the essence of Formless Oedon.

This headless figure plays an important part in Pthumerian culture as well , and it possesses two wings, like those of The Moon Presence .

Chhinnamasta and Kali reside spiritually in cremation grounds, while The Moon Presence manifests in a graveyard aligned with crucifixes .

Those crucifixes are used in Yharnam to ritually incinerate Beast Patients  , whose affliction is sometimes referred to as "Ashen Blood".

Another symbol of Kali is the trishula (trident) , which is also a symbol of Lord Shiva , with whom she's married in the facet of "Parvati".

Corresponding tridents appear on The Moon Presence in the form of tails  , and also appear in the runes "Hunter " and "Moon ".

These strange references point to a sexually ambiguous Oedon, which fits into my theory that Oedon was in part derived from Griffith  .


The World Egg

Reproduction is an important theme in Bloodborne, and Amygdala's head may well fit into that theme. Moreover, it could connect her to The World Egg .


The World Egg is a cosmological concept that recurs in various mythologies, it's known in Vedic tradition as Hiranyagarbha and as the Orphic Egg in Orphism.

Hiranyagarbha literally translates to "Golden Egg" or "Golden Womb". The egg is referred to as The Creator, Brahman, Brahmā, and The Soul of The Universe.

In the beginning when there was nothing, appeared Swayambhu, The Self-Manifested Being, who created the primordial waters and the seed of the universe therein.

Then the egg became a womb, which was then entered by Swayambhu. The germ hung in the darkness for one year, then brought forth all realms of the universe.


"Egg" is a recurring motif in Bloodborne art, appearing in a large multitude of places as an oval that goes through numerous phases of cracking   .

These eggs remind of the strange tombstones found in the Forbidden Woods  and Yharnam . These tombstones look like fossilized stinkhorns.

These structures also resemble the foul growths that protrude from the DS1 Egg Carrier Undead Egg Carrier, latticed sacks that are brimming with Vile Maggots Vile Maggot.

Egg structures have been with the series since the beginning , most likely inspired by Berserk's Behelits Crimson Behelit. They are required for demon ascension .

In dire need for power, humans use Behelits to become demons. The choice of words is quite specific , insinuating a lot about the people on the Archstones.


The Orphic Egg The Orphic Egg is the cosmic egg that hatched the hermaphroditic god Phanes Phanes, Hermaphroditic God Being. Phanes is the creator of the universe and conceiver of the other gods.

Phanes is usually enwrapped by a serpent. He also has the hooves of the hermaphroditic goat, like Baphomet or the Wiccan "Horned God".

His name means "to bring light" or "to shine", and is therefore interchangeable with "Lucifer". Phanes is also connected to Mithra, Persian god of contracts.

This mythology was likely reused in Berserk, in which The Egg Of The Perfect World Egg Shaped Apostle - Cracking Egg Shaped Apostle - God Hand, gives birth to the outspokenly androgynous Griffith Outspokenly Androgynous Griffith.

In Berserk, Griffith essentially plays the role of Lucifer/Satan, the haughty angel that became the scourge of mankind and a rival to the Christian God.

Griffith's demon form is based on an hermaphroditic Satan Androgynous Femto Hermaphroditic Baphomet Hermaphroditic Satan - SMT - Kazuma Kaneko. He's also likely based on "Shiva", the androgynous Hindu god of destruction.

Capable of exerting unnatural influence over humans Griffith Turns The Pope, Griffith's like the tempter Satan, but potentially also like Phanes, who's often equated with Eros.


That role in turn shares attributes with The Moon Presence, who's popularly theorized to be in a state of rebirth Germinating Moon Presence, in the form of Mergo The Infant Mergo Griffith - A Child's Crying.

They're both related to "a dream ", they're also both related to the birth or rebirth of a higher being Griffith Inside The Egg, Mergo in Bloodborne and Griffith in Berserk.

Griffith's a dark androgynous entity, as is The Moon Presence. Both are related to the Moon Griffith And The Moon, in the case of Griffith, in the form of an eclipse , or "Dark Sun".

The Moon Presence is also related to an eclipse, but rather to a lunar eclipse Moon_Presence_Encounter_Thumb1 or "Blood Moon". It may be linked to Griffith's double: Dark Sun Gwyndolin "Hunteth The Enemies Of Lords".

The Moon Presence was inspired by Nyarlathotep, The Crawling Chaos. Griffith is at one point stripped of his muscles Griffith Stripped Of Flesh And Muscle Eviscerated Moon Presence, reducing him to a crawling state. 

In this torturous state, the Scarlet Behelit answers Griffith's prayer and summons The Dark Angels Do You Fear Higher Beings?, who transform him into a member of the God Hand Griffith Ascension.

Just before the eclipse, Griffith hears a child's crying, like an hallucination or an echo of himself , which is very much like to the ambient crying of Mergo Blood Moon - Mergo's Crying.

Bloodborne is fundamentally about a Great One conception, which fits the narrative of Demon's Souls, which centers around a cosmic horror: "The Old One The Old One".

Moments before the end of Demon's Souls, when The Old One seeks a new Demon, the call of The Old One is recognized as the crying of a child, by Saint Urbain.

The Old One in many ways mirrors Berserk's Idea of Evil, such as offering demon power The Old One - A Lust For Power Demon Power - The Count, distorting reality Reality Distortion - Demon's Souls Reality Distortion - The Eclipse, and using strange eggs The Eggs Which Seal The Old One The Eggs Of The Rulers Behelit - The Key That Links The Worlds.

Strange eggs also appear in Bloodborne Bloodborne - Cracking Egg Pattern Dented Egg (Cathedral Ward), and probably trace back to Behelits The Scarlet Behelit, the demon creating eggs that inspired the Eye Orbs of Dark Souls Red Eye Orb - DS3.

If Bloodborne's eggs follow the logic of Berserk, then these eggs mirror the Behelits, and a new demon is being born, the newborn Mergo The Newborn Mergo, or perhaps you Childhood's Beginning.


"Great One" is a term used in Berserk to refer to The God Hand Great Ones in Berserk, and in DS2, to refer to The Old Ones Great Ones in DS2. Old Ones are reincarnations of the DS1 pentad "The Old Ones".

This pentad has always been entwined with God Hand Conrad -  The Plague Angel Nito Unleashed A Plague Of Death And Disease Slan, The Fire Goddess The Witch of Izalith - The Bed of Chaos (sexual), five godlike beings which the protagonist has to kill for the story to conclude To Seek Five.

The birth of a new member of God Hand requires a feast The Night Festival The Night Of The Hunt, in which reality is distorted Berserk Bloodborne, and demons eat those with "The Mark of Sacrifice The Mark of Sacrifice The Hunter Rune"

Many other semblances with Berserk exist, like "A Dream You Shall Not Wake, We Are In The Dream No, We Shall Not Abandon The Dream" in the form of an eclipse Solar Eclipse - Berserk Lunar Eclipse - Bloodborne obscuring The Sun, all to feed souls to the newborn god .

Eclipse symbolism also characterizes Dark Souls Eclipse Over Lothric Eclipse - Kiln Of The First Flame, which revolves around an undying, and branded protagonist The Accursed Darksign becoming a lord of fire, or of darkness.

The brand of the Undead, The Darksign, was likely inspired by The Mark of Sacrifice, which may be more recognizable, in the shape of the DS Moonlight Arrow The Moonlight Arrow.

Those Moonlight Arrows would be reused in DS3 by Aldrich Moonlight Arrows of Aldrich, a corrupted form of Gwyndolin, and in a manner reflecting Void's branding technique Void - The Promise Time Has Come Part 1 Void - The Promise Time Has Come Part 2 Aldrich - Mark Of Sacrifice Arrows.

The Dark Sun Gwyndolin is a bigendered, Griffith inspired character which appeared in DS1 The Griffith Inspired Gwyndolin. His name means "white and fair" while "Dark Sun" means "eclipse".

Gwyndolin is linked to Lothric, who has the same voice actor, is also linked to an eclipse Eclipse Over Lothric and whose crippled state looks a lot like Griffith being carried Crippled Griffith Being Carried Crippled Lothric Being Carried

Lothric's birth is a controversial one, likely involving the essence of dragons Kingdom Of Lothric - Concept Art, bringing to mind Priscilla Crossbreed Priscilla and also her snake legged brother, Gwyndolin Snake Legged Gwyndolin.

Dragon children are tied to concealment and are sometimes capable of total invisibility: like Priscilla Invisible Priscilla and Ocelotte Invisible Ocelotte, which makes them similar to Mergo Invisible Mergo.

Anor Londo actually has numerous depictions of a wet nurse Anor Londo - Wet Nurse Mergo's Wet Nurse, and Gwyndolin is tied to themes relevant to Bloodborne: like "moon The Power Of The Darkmoon" and "hunting Hunteth The Enemies Of The Lords".

Lothric also has a wet nurse: High Priestess Emma High Priestess Emma, a character related to the Blades of the Darkmoon and to the Shrine Handmaid The Shrine Handmaid, who may be Velka Velka - DS3.

Velka, the rogue goddess, is the goddess of sin, "purging Purging Stone - DS3" and Ariamis' Crow Demons Crow Demon - Concept Art, who carry with them covenant items of The Blades of the Darkmoon.

Goddess of crows, she's linked to the invisible crow babies Snuggly The Crow - DS1 Dyna and Tillo - DS2 Pickle Pee Pump-a-Rum - DS3, and her augur, The Giant Crow, picks up undead, should they assume a fetal position Giant Crow Nest - Fetal Position.

Likewise, The Wet Nurse is an invisible crow like being Wet Nurse - Crow Like And Invisible A Wet Nurse - Crow Like And Invisible B, who's linked to "amalgam plumes Amalgam Smoke Plume - Nightmare Of Mensis", which mirror The Purging Monument Purging Monument - DS3, linked to purging.

The Wet Nurse may form an entity with Pontiff Sulyvahn Pontiff Sulyvahn - Cloning Warrior, guardian of Lothric, The Darklurker Darklurker - Cloned, and the Shrine Handmaid, all personas capable of cloning Mergo's Wet Nurse - Cloned.


There appears to be a line of reincarnating, Griffith inspired characters, linked to dragons, obscurity, and wet nurses. Mergo may be one of them.

All these characters are pale albinos. Another name for The Moon Presence is "Paleblood" (Miyazaki), so there could be a real connection there.

That's another interpretation.“Paleblood” is another name for the monster that comes from the moon under certain conditions. - Hidetaka Miyazaki

Dark Sun Gwyndolin is thematically linked to the hunting goddesses of the Moon: Artemis and Diana Artemis / Diana Gwyndolin - Archer Of The Moon, and uses the word "hunting Gwyndolin - Hunteth The Enemies Of The Lords".

Gwyndolin may have used "Moonlight Gwyndolin's Moonlight Arrow", "Mark of Sacrifice The Mark Of Sacrifice The Hunter Rune arrows", to brand and sacrifice humans The Accursed Darksign, in a Berserk like ritual Berserk - I Sacrifice.

The Messengers embracing The Moon Presence The Messengers Embrace The Moon Presence Berserk - An Audience - Part 1 Berserk - An Audience - Part 2, its manner of conception, from a dream A Fine Dream, My Dear it all seems to hail from Berserk Bury Them In The Ruins Of Your Dream

In Berserk, Griffith is linked to an image called The Symbol of God Symbol of God - Church Peak Symbol of God - Egg Shaped Apostle, two coiling snakes and a pair of wings which he represents Eclipse_Angels_Femto_Reborn_Thumb4 Griffith, The Hawk Of Light.

This symbol is the caduceus Caduceus, the symbol of the messenger god "Mercury", whose name means "quicksilver", an element tied to Oedon Formless Oedon: "The Moon Presence".

The Berserk caduceus also features an egg at its base, making it very symbolic of concepts like The Cosmic Egg The Orphic Egg and deities like Phanes Phanes, Hermaphroditic God Being. 

In Souls titles, the caduceus is recurring as both a word Caduceus Kite Shield - DS1 Caduceus Round Shield - DS3 and a symbol Pilgrim Caduceus - Bloodborne Bed Of Chaos Caduceus Catacomb Gate Caduceus Pattern - DS2 and is likely connected to The Primordial Serpents.

The Moonlight Arrows used by Aldrich contain this pattern The Arrows Of Aldrich, and this coiling pattern, along with moon symbols, appeared on The Old One The Old One - Moons and Chains.

The Old One is - I believe - analogous to The Idea of Evil from Berserk The Idea Of Evil, who transforms Griffith The White Phoenix General - Griffith, to live in the manner of a demon king Chosen One, Do As You Will.

The Messengers honoring Griffith are part of The Abyss Berserk Messengers - The Maelstrom, Messengers are tied to fog Messengers In Fog, or cosmos Messengers In Starry Darkness, both linked to The Old One The Old One - Deep Fog The Old One - Starry Darkness.

The Moon Presence forms from fog The Moon Presence Forms From Fog - A The Moon Presence Forms From Fog - B, and one cut version of it  Inherit The Nightmare Last Form by Sanadsk had an arena Molten Stone Arena by Zullie The Witch which incorporated The Old One's scenery The Old One - Molten Stone A Molten Stone And The Old One - B.

The being most mirrors Griffith when it descends from heaven and ensnares The Hunter without a fight The Moon Presence Appears A Vision Of Griffith, a trick typical of Griffith Griffith Enthralls The Emperor Griffith - The Grade A Liquor.

"Paleblood" could mean: essence of the pale ones Priscilla Gwyndolin Lothric The Pthumerians The Cursed Child Griffith merged with Nyarlathotep Nyarlathotep "Messenger of The Outer Gods Mercury".



The Moon Presence & Lord Griffith


Griffith is the cutthroat main antagonist of The Berserk Manga. His name is derived from Ralph T. H. Griffith, a famous scholar of Hindu mythology.

As the story develops he changes from a mercenary captain , to a debased cripple , while ultimately becoming a monstrous Antichrist Griffith, The Antichrist.

Griffith became a high demon during a supernatural eclipse . Using the magic of a Behelit he contacted The Idea of Evil and joined God Hand.

Dark Sun Gwyndolin is another pale, androgynous male, associated with the eclipse, for his name refers to the obscured Sun, i.o.w an eclipse.

His Blades of the Darkmoon invoke the obscured Moon (the new moon), and/or make reference to the hypothetical second moon of Earth, Lilith.

Lilith is the supposed first wife of Adam , and a demoness in most legends. The devs may have enmeshed her with Gwyndolin / Griffith .

Berserk's eclipse attracts hordes of lesser demons , as well as Great Ones , and means branding victims with The Mark of Sacrifice .

The hero of Berserk is one such victim, and as a result, is connected to the world of the dead , the wraiths of which are driving him mad .

The links to the DS protagonist are strong  , who branded with the eclipse like Darksign  must face insanity and endless Undead .

Darksigns in Dark Souls may entail similar sacrifices, the branding of unwilling victims with a curse, to create a new monster, or fuel an Age of Fire.

An eclipse actually occurs in DS3 , and is connected to Prince Lothric, a crippled androgyn who mirrors Griffith in a number of ways  .

Griffith's original dream was to rule a country of his own  , yet he became castrated and crippled, that is until he became a lord of demons.

In fact, the meaning of the name "Griffith" is "lord" or "prince", and the last words uttered by Emma, implore Lothric to "be a lord" - "a Gruffudd".

In Arthurian legend exists a character who's crippled and impotent, and whose kingdom's becoming a lifeless wasteland, called "The Fisher King".

That sounds a lot like Lothric, and "Fisher King" carries links to tridents, used for fishing, and tridents link to Shiva, Kali, and The Moon Presence.

Griffith and Lothric are linked to an eclipse, "induced by the Moon", while Gwyndolin, born with the power of the Moon, was reared as a daughter.

"The Crawling Chaos" is a byname of Nyarlathotep, who inspired The Moon Presence, while the above youths all have some deformity in the legs.


In Berserk, a demon birth requires Behelits , and Behelits are part of Souls as well, appearing as strange eggs , or eyed stones  .

Enigmatic eggs appear in Yharnam as well  , which in my opinion are references to procreation and demonic rebirth, and to The Old One.

Behelit like objects are seen on every DeS Archstone , and were probably used by these people to summon The Old One and "ascend ".

The Doll has behelit eyes , while the curious forelegs of Rom's Children  are a reference to The Egg Shaped Apostle , a living behelit.

This creature is a poisonous wall-crawler, and Bloodborne's spider men were named "Nightmare Apostles" for resembling him so   .

More evidence that Bloodborne involves a Berserk style ascension exists in the ties between Messengers , Griffith   and Mergo .

The beings coming out of the walls are one with Berserk's Abyss , and their visit to Griffith is much like The Messengers claiming The Hunter.

Berserk ascension distorts reality , merging it with another dimension , which could explain the paranormal scenes of Yharnam  .

Berserk's demonic rebirth may explain the importance of the Moon , of eyes , of procreation  and the appearance of Beasts Beastly Demons Demon Beasts.

Once reborn, Griffith is supernaturally enthralling, which may help to explain why The Moon Presence can envelop The Hunter so easily  .

Griffith's conception, both as a human and as a demon, was masterminded by The Idea of Evil  , whose Souls equivalent is The Old One.

A Lovecraftian abomination in its own right, The Old One holds connections to the cosmos  , and to demon spawning mist   .

The Moon Presence spawns from mist , and does so in a manner mirroring Griffith's rebirth , which is a process connected to "a dream".




















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    • Anonymous

      The presence of the moon is called Flora and represents the feminine, she is probably the mother of all women considered ladies of the blood. But we must understand that Gehrman, along with Laurence and other hunting members of the ancient era, tried to obtain an audience with the eminent of the Moon. Every time a people tried to access this celestial figure an advent forms generating a local cataclysm. men, women and children are cast into the earth, the city is submerged in the tar. So Yharnam is divided into layers and what is on the surface represents the new. The upper cathedral district was built to embrace future generations, predicting the downfall of present-day Yharnam, we know of the church and its manipulation of blood creating heavenly emissaries. The player's hunter was rescued by the influence of the presence into the dream in order to work on his interests. The interest of the Moon's presence is that the hunter kills all the eminent ones by making them return to the cosmos in their primordial form. This allows the echoes of ancient blood to be picked up by the doll and absorbed by the presence of the moon that hopes to one day be reborn and obtain its child. The Gehrman is not the real one because he died at the foot of the big tree, just as the doll is not Mary because she died of grief, the presence grants these forms a limited performance

      • Anonymous

        On the Odin-Oedon connection: - Because of Tacitus, Odin was traditionally thought to be connected to the Roman god Mercury. - Mercury = quicksilver - Oedon is related to quicksilver.

        • Anonymous

          „Bergen“ actually means exactly the opposite. It‘s not „bury“ but rather „recover“ something that got buried.

          • Anonymous

            It is so goddamn clunky to write "he/she" if you're talking about a hypothetical single person. Just use "they", jesus *****ing christ.

            • Anonymous

              In my mind, much of the "religion" presented in Bloodborne seems to be inspired by Gnosticism. Gnosticism teaches that the physical world is evil, and that humanity must transcend the flesh through esoteric knowledge and by releasing the Divine Spark sealed within their mortal frame. Instead of sin, it is ignorance that seals humankind in the physical realm. The creator of the material world is the Demiurge, who emanated in isolation and thus created in turn the Archons to act out its desires. The Demiurge is considered an evil entity that often opposes the spiritual realm. The lowest form of humanity is the Sarkic, beings who revel in materialism and cannot fathom higher knowledge.

              In Bloodborne, ignorance and blind faith give rise to the beast plague, Bloodborne's take on the Sarkic. The Moon Presence can be thought of as a sort of Demiurge, driven by carnal desires, with the Hunters acting in lieu of the Archons. The Demiurge is often depicted as a lion-headed entity, which the Moon Presence resembles in part with its mane of tentacles. The Moon Presence does not seem to care for the well-being of the other Great Ones, as Hunters of Great Ones go unpunished. Only when the Hunters come close to becoming Great Ones themselves does the Moon Presence attempt to destroy them. Even if the Moon Presence is killed, its will is reincarnated in its killer, whom becomes yet another form of Moon Presence.

              I don't mean to say that the Moon Presence IS the Demiurge, but its similarities are hard to ignore. It's likely only symbolic of the creative force that lends itself to the destruction of spirit. Only through secrecy can its physical world be maintained, thus transforming death into a source of life. It's just another observation for the annals of confusing not-quite-lore of Bloodborne.

              • Anonymous

                If we're comparing Bloodborne characters' roles to those in Dark Souls, wouldn't Gehrman be more like Gwyndolin, and Moon Presence like the Soul of Cinder? Gehrman cannot complete the cycle on his own, but instead obscures himself and assists the hunter, imploring them to succeed their progenitors. He is bound by the will of the Moon Presence, much like Gwyndolin is bound to his father's ambition. But, like Gehrman, Gwyndolin has no issue removing the Chosen Undead if they choose to transgress the will of the gods.

                Moon Presence, on the other hand, seems to be nourished by the completion of the hunt, and requires the perpetuation of sacrifices to survive. Even when defeated, the Moon Presence becomes the hunter and vice versa, shedding its olden form and beginning anew as an infant (what happens to Yharnam after this is unclear). Soul of Cinder operates in a similar way, absorbing the form of the Ashen One after their soul is offered to the First Flame, and in doing so continues to grow ever stronger. It's also possible that Moon Presence is an amalgam of wills of past hunters, initially drawn to Gehrman, but now satiated by his countless students.

                That being said, I don't really believe that any characters in Bloodborne *are* characters from Dark Souls, but the themes of upholding an archaic rule, along with parallels between the characters that fulfill that duty, are not easily ignored.

                • Anonymous

                  In the paragraph about "The Legacy Of Byrgenwerth", the word "byrgenwerth" is split into "bergen" and "werth".
                  And "bergen" is translated to "to bury/hide", but it also means (in my opion even more so) "to uncover" something, or "to rescue/save" even "to dig something up", I think that translation fits even better, since its an old dug up burial side/tomb.

                  • I mean no offence since you're free to speculate and theorise away all you want, but as a long time user and contributor I deem it very annoying that the link to this page is shared in a lot of fextrawiki pages that YOU deem to be tied in to eachother with only your speculations and theories as a reason. This is a wiki so we base our info on facts and this is quite the burden to see this link on way to many pages, when it's based on your take instead of the actual ingame facts that ARE proven. I would kindly ask you to refrain from this as a fellow user and contributor.

                    • Anonymous

                      I feel like if Moon Presence has any inspiration in Berserk, it would have something to do with the Idea of Evil that Griffith sees, not Griffith himself. The Idea of Evil in Berserk is portrayed as a colossal beating heart, whose "blood" is made up of the countless souls of those who have died for their dreams, and represents humankind's desire for a purpose behind their suffering. Moon Presence is somewhat reminiscent of a heart, with all those arterial-looking tentacles, and it appears to draw upon some sort of non-physical energy from the graves of the past Hunters in a similar fashion to the Idea of Evil . Similarly, the Moon Presence utilizes the Hunters for its own ends, and symbiotically, it seems to be the subconscious force that motivates the Hunters to perpetuate this cycle. ("The Hunters imbibe blood with reverence, indeed gratitude, for their victims.") In essence, neither the Idea of Evil or the Moon Presence possess their own consciousness, but are fueled by/represent the collective unconscious of mankind. To perceive such a creature would demand intense introspection, which is perhaps what "insight" truly entails--literally "seeing inward."

                      • Anonymous

                        I had a weird thought that maybe those holes in the Moon Presence's "face" aren't eyes, or even eye sockets, but ears. There's a ton of focus on sound in the game, even more so on *seeing* sound, and following the (highly plausible) theory that the Moon Presence is the embodiment of Oedon, this would make a lot of sense. In fact, they almost seem to resemble the barnacles growing all over the Fishing Hamlet, an area of the game envisioned by the Research Hall patients, all of which are apparently able to "see" sound. The Fishwitch also makes many mentions of sound and voice throughout his dialogue, which is unusual.

                        Another thought: "blood echoes" seems to be a perfect way to describe Oedon. "The Great One Oedon, lacking form, exists only in voice;" "Both Oedon, and his inadvertent worshipers, surreptitiously seek the precious blood."

                        • Anonymous

                          Actually the bloodletting beast could very well be the source of the medium. The Japanese name of the boss even translates to "Host of the Beast Blood"

                          • Anonymous

                            I love that the game specifically warns us at every turn about the dangers of delving too deep, yet here we are, making mad long stretches left and right.

                            • Anonymous

                              Hello -

                              I stumbled upon this great theorycrafting while working on a video I'm making about the connections between Bloodborne and Dark Souls' universes, and how I truly believe that MP is actually a being from the Souls universe. I'd just like to let you know that I'll be using some imagery that you've put in this theory, and that I'll be sure to credit you for the images, and for certain observations that tie in well with my theory, notably the Nahr Alma part.

                              P.S: "Nahr" is very similar to the Arabic word for 'River'/'Stream'. "Alma" is Latin for 'Soul'.

                              • Anonymous

                                I personally think that the MP is kind of a "corrupted" and rotten Great One, similar to (or perhaps even sharing a link with) the Brain of Mensis.
                                Also notice how it bears striking similarities with the silverbeasts, both have torn open and exposed rib cages, both have their heads twisted sideways.

                                Maybe another improperly conducted ritual, similar to how the Mensis ritual resulted in "the stillbirth of their brains"?

                                • Anonymous

                                  According the the bloodborne official concept art, Moon Presence is the formless Oden or at least his believer.

                                  "The nameless moon presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates"
                                  or the better translation: "Laurence and his moon monster" and the Oden Chapel in the healing church, shows relations from moon presence and Oden.

                                  Also the concept art indicated there was a huge brain upon Moon Presence, or at least some thing formless, e.g. a dream? Oden himself?
                                  That reminds me the Brain of Mensis......
                                  WIKI: You can also do the "Make Contact" gesture after killing it (it doesn't have to be physically present) and still get the rune.
                                  Isn't it a insight?

                                  last but not least, if u imagine the formless brain of moon presence, u will found that the position of the head of moon presence is the amygdala. When it embracing u, it is touching u with its amygdala.

                                  Can i ask for more insight based on this theory?

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Maybe Oedon is the platonic form of "Formless Oedon" and the MP is just one manifestation of it? Maybe Oedon has echoes in all other great ones? I feel like Oedon sort of permeates the entire world, waking, dreaming, nightmare, everything, of bloodborne

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