Madaras Whistle is a Hunter Tool in Bloodborne.
Madaras Whistle Description
"Whistle of the Madaras twins, denizens of the Forbidden Woods.
The twins grew up alongside a poisonous snake, and developed a silent, inhuman kinship.
The poisonous snake grew uncontrollably, raised on a healthy diet of beast entrails.
Even after their deaths, it is said to respond to the call of the twins' whistle from within the Nightmare."
Madaras Whistle Usage
- Using this Hunter Tool summons a gigantic snake directly underneath the user.
- The snake cannot be controlled and will always spawn under the user.
- It deals a large amount of arcane damage in an aoe radius, originating from where it was summoned. Ther eis also so lingering splash damage after the bulk of the initial snake bite.
- The snake can damage the caster along with the enemy. The user, however, can cast the spell and quickly move away to avoid damage by either rolling, dashing or even quietly walking if keeping the same direction.
- It can be used as a trap against your victim(s) when used creatively.
- Despite what the animation looks like, the snake does not provide protection against attacks (they go straight through it).
- If you're desperate (or bored), it can be used as a suicide move in online play.
- As an adversary, one can use this on low health with the goal to kill oneself (either by the snake or the host) and lure the host in at the same time to hopefully die as well.
- Alternatively, a better usage of this move is if you know you can survive the snake's damage, but you believe the opponent will not, making this an unexpected (and very painful) execution method.
- you can trigger true combos against most humanoid size opponents (not players nor hunters though) in the games primed with this tool: while the target is launched into the air, it retains a hitbox and therefore you can shoot it with the gun, hit it with tools like the molotovs at landing or hitting it with your weapon's R1 or R2. It requires a good mastery of movement, distance management and ideally of the ravioli step to use fully those features but they are highly satisfying when mastered, albeit circumstantially useful at best: certain mobs/bosses like the beast possessed soul or the brain sucker can be comboed to death before having a chance to fight back when done properly with high damage output. See full guide to advanced use of the madaras whistle.
Location
- It's carried by a hostile hunter in the Forbidden Woods who appears under certain circumstances.
- When you crush at least five Vermin, you will advance Valtr's questline, and he will announce his departure. Upon reloading the area, you will find an item he left in his place. After picking up the helmet, the enemy hunter NPC will spawn outside without needing another reload. Defeat him, then you will acquire Madara's Whistle as a reward.
- The enemy hunter will also appear after you kill Valtr; walk back to lamppost afterwards and he will be waiting for you, no reloading necessary.
- You can kill the enemy hunter easily by pushing him off the ledge in the elevator room, located in the hut next to the lamp. Run straight away into the elevator room in the hut - the enemy hunter will follow you. Using strong attack you can push him over the edge and he will fall to his death. The Madaras Whistle will appear in your inventory.
Notes
- Madara's Whistle requires/scales with Bloodtinge, a unique trait among all known hunter tools but deals arcane damage which can be useful against opponenets resistant to blood and physical damage but vulnerable to arcane damage.
- In PVE, simply learn the enemy's movement patterns/tendencies and you can bait them into a deadly snake trap.
- In PVP, this item is useful as a sneak attack against unsuspecting opponents.
- One of the best ways to surprise opponents is to avoid initially wielding weapons that reveal yourself as a high bloodtinge user to the opponent (e.g. Chikage) and bait them into the trap.
- Alternatively, this item can be useful as a method to discourage opponents from getting too close to you if you need time to recooperate.
- For instance, using the Kirkhammer and this item in conjunction gives you ways to scare off opportunistic foes who will try to attack in-between swings.
- Take care if you're low on stamina yourself, since you need to escape the deadly snake as well.
- Useful if you wish to kill yourself in conjunction with blood bullet creation in order to reset your world with only one load screen and without using Bold Hunter's Marks. Alternatively the Chikage provides the same result.
Trivia
- The snake summoned is similar to the ones the Shadow of Yharnam summon during the boss encounter in the Forbidden Woods.
- There are various cultures/places that have superstitions based on whistling in the night.
- Many of these superstitions (mainly Eastern) tell of foul things, snakes and evil supernatural beings, who are summoned whenever someone whistles in the night time.
- Coincidently, in Bloodborne the hunter can summon a gigantic snake during the night of the hunt by using a special whistle (evidently sunset counts as well once you hit NG+).
- "Madaras" means "of birds" in Hungarian. It is also a town in Transylvania known for its mercury mines.
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Anonymousthe npc just killed himself with the whistle. He attacked me from behind and I jumped away. He then proceeded to use the whistle and it knocked him off the edge. No idea why he would use the whistle when i'm nowhere near him. xD
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If anyone wants to know an easy way to kill both Madara and Valty lure them to the elevator but don’t let them get on it causes them to fall down it and die immediately
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i got attacked by this madaras guy in the forbidden woods and while fighting him he used this whistle and the snake that came out of the ground killed him. lol
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I remember in another game there was an item called Pavlov's Bell that summoned a hungry dog.
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The "Hostile Hunter" is actually the confederate Younger Madaras Twin... If you kill him for the Whistle he no longer appears in the usual spots (Forbidden Woods, Byrgenwerth) even with the Impurity rune equipped. It's even mentioned on this site in the Hostile Hunters category... i don't know why it was omitted here. I usually use hunter NPC's during boss fights (more fun that way, imo)... so if i forget to kill Henrik, during Eileen's questline, and i also kill Madaras, there will be no one left to summon for "The 3 Stooges of Yharnam" boss fight in the Forbidden Woods.
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After reading it elsewhere I had to try it to believe it and what do you know, this thing revives Adeline after you finish her questline! No dialogue after though.
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Cool fact for anyone trying to get the hunter tool trophy: because this was added in a post launch patch, it doesn't count towards the list of tools to get your trophy. So you don't have to semi-grind coop or murder poor Valtr if that's worth anything
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Surpringsingly it is not needed for the Hunters Craft Trophy despite beeing a vanilla tool. (got my trophy yesterday, have no whistle)
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i got every hunter tool except this one and still got the trophy, not sure why
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I obtained this item without really knowing why. It must be a bug. I was walking trough the bridge near the lamp in the Forbidden Woods, fighting the enemies there and trying to avoid the trap, when suddenly I picked up an item on the ground thinking it would be a blood vial. But nope, it was Madaras Whistle. I fought no NPC nor even started Valtr's quest, so I don't know how this item came to me.
Does anyone happen to know the name of the sound file for the whistle?
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Will Valtr still be in his original spot after killing Rom?
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I really feel guilty for killing him, but i got no choice since my account wasn't plus to spare him instead :(
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I just teleported to the lamp near Valtr and the hostile hunter was there. After killing him Valtr was still alive and friendly.
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No idea if this will help with people's search for what exactly spawns the Hostile Hunter however after I crushed 1 Vermin I obtained the cane and the oath, I obtained a second vermin after this however I went into the forbidden woods without crushing it and the hostile NPC was there waiting for me, he dropped the whistle. I think the NPC might just spawn after you rank up once
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It's kind of like a delayed Wrath of the Gods that also damages you, unless you move. The snakehead bites upwards and will hurt anyone within range. These guys always know how to add a little twist so things stay interesting. By the way, I didn't even crush a vermin before the NPC appeared. I just warped back after my first co-op session and there he was. I also equipped the Impurity rune, so that might be the trigger. but you probably also need a vermin.
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for me the hunter appeared when i summoned an invader, so i freaked out thinking they where TWO invaders, not sure if the sinister chime triggered the npc through
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I joined the League, but did not use Vermin. Summoned the other twin for the fight against Shadow of Yharnam, died and when respawned a lantern near bridge, the guy was there.
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It seems to do more damage if the enemy is in mid dodge. Tested against Boom Hammer hunter in Hunter's Nightmare on NG+, 50 BLT. Unmoving does 1020, but during dodge it does 1340-1400.
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why does it only attack where you stand? it should attack where you aim/lock-on
In various cultures around the world (mostly eastern), there's a belief that whistling in the night summons foul things, anything from snakes to supernatural beings. The belief stems from the idea that whistling "summons" things by nature, and by whistling in the dark, you're inviting beings not normally seen by mankind.
In Korea, whistling is believed to summon snakes and ghosts. Not surprisingly, when you use Madaras Whistle, you summon a hungry snake from a dream world that attempts to eat anything that summoned it, including you.
I've done some tests with friends, it does not damage them if I'm a Phantom
The only thing I haven't tested was as a Host
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TL;DR - The hunter is a beast lover, they're not part of the covenant, they're instead removing people belonging to The League. Killing Valtr doesn't actually trigger their hostility, they're simply hostile to anyone who threaten or hunt beasts, like you. I'll probably be wrong in this assumption, so feel free to correct me, but the reason I believe that the hunter just seems to show up randomly is because they're trying to kill Valtr, they're not actually friendly to him. From Software have demonstrated that they know how to turn enemies aggressive if you attack a member of their group, so it seemed strange to me that Valtr would do squat about you killing one of his own members when he openly states that you're supposed to support each other, and families a big deal to him. It also seems strange that (some people have mentioned this before) Valtr can die without a trace. I have little evidence to back me, but it seems likely that the hunter kills him if left on their own for too long - could be a glitch though. If the NPC is part of the covenant, then it's not only weird but lazy that they attack you regardless of killing Valtr or not, even if you're part of the covenant. They just seem to attack on sight on different occasions, regardless. The only discernible patterns about when they appear is that they show after you join the covenant. It also would be considerably strange for Valtr to employ someone who's feeding a beast (the whistle) when he's clarified that every beast should be swept from the streets. That would make him a hypocrite of the highest order. It instead seems more likely that the hunter is like Djura, someone who supports and connects with beasts, also reflected in the item they're carrying, the whistle. So they're trying to stop The League from killing other beasts by killing them first. Someone did get the whistle from Valtr, but I'm fairly certain this is a glitch, because though he may have lost his ability to see vermin, it's a huge snake... You can't miss that even if you're blind. There's my theory. Its still open for discussion however, so leave your own if you disagree or have something to add.
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If you just run straight for the elevator after he sees you he will jump right off the elevators edge if you are already going down.
This tool is amazing against the screaming labyrinth madmen. Once they've spotted you they'll run at you, so cast it more or less the moment he begins moving towards you, then jump back and watch in gleefull joy, as one of the scariest enemies in the dungeons jumps into a big gaping snake maw by his on free will <3
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I bet that it has to do with just having some Bloodtinge. I had mine leveled up (don't exactly remember, I bet it was more than 25) and he was there when I came down to activate the lamp. Like the first time I ever entered Forbidden Woods in that play through.
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Yesterday I was going through the Forbidden Woods and after fighting the first Snake Parasite inside the windmill I noticed Madaras Whistle was in my inventory. I don't remember collecting it anywhere!! Also, I never fought the hunter NPC that supposedly carries it and I hadn't yet met Valtr that playthrough. Does somebody know what might have happened?
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The whistle deals Arcane damage despite having Bloodtinge scaling. Not sure why FromSoft thought this was a good idea. Logically, a weapon with bloodtinge scaling should deal blood damage. Tested this with my friend.
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will also spawn if you begin a NG+ having crushed 5 vermin and become Master in the previous game and talk to Valtr several times (starting dialogue, joining League, dialogue like you have crushed one vermin, dialogue like you have crushed 5 vermin). Madaras Twin will attack you after you leave the building. You don't have to reload the area, of course.
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Just get about 20 poison darts, go through the chapel - and go through to the forest where he is, kill the two easy target before him, and he should have his back to you. so lock on, through some of the darts, and back up to the close ledge and use the beast roar til he falls off the ledge. That simple, and if you do it right you take no damage.
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Even after the update, this tool does NOT count into the tools that are needed to obtain the trophy.
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This hunter tool really highlights the lack of tools like it. There should be atleast a few more blood spells or something. Maybe even a blood buff so you can do a blood build with any weapon, or that flame ***** Maria does.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but when I fought the hunter he used the whistle on himself three times and pretty much killed himself. I had the bowblade and kept my distance, and he just didn't seem to know how to put up with that.
Did some cleanup efforts, although there are two things I have yet to test regarding this:
1. While I know that a summoned person cannot damage his/her own teammates using the whistle, I've heard it's possible for the host to damage the cooperators. I don't see this tool too often, so I can't verify this yet.
2. Does the snake do blood damage, or arcane?
Well...I guess I still have to create a bloodtinge character before Dark Souls 3 comes out, so.....
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Just shoot him whenever he uses the Madaras Whistle and he won't be able to avoid the snake causing massive damage.
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This tool is basically useless. It's slow and you can only fool AI npcs.in pvp you can see it coming a mile away. I'd use this as a suicide move but wats the point.
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i didnt need this to get the all tools trophy, why?
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