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Beasthunter Saif

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Imprints (Normal)

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Imprints (Uncanny)

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Imprints (Lost)

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Damage
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Requirements & Scaling
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E
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D
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Beasthunter Saif is a Trick Weapon in Bloodborne. It was added with The Old Hunters expansion. There are 3 versions of this weapon: Normal, Uncanny and Lost. The only known differences being the Gem Imprints and the locations in which they are found.

 

Beasthunter Saif Description

"A trick weapon used by the old hunters.
A second blade is found inside the curve of the main one. In its initial form, the saif can be wielded like a long curved sword, but when transformed, its blade is contracted, allowing for quick, repeated stabs.
Although this trick weapon allows for adaptive combat, it was later replaced by saws and similar weapons that were more effective at disposing of beasts."

 

Beasthunter Saif Information

  • Transforms from a curved long sword to a short weapon like the Saw Cleaver
  • Requires ?? Blood Stone Shards and ?? Blood Echoes to fully upgrade
  • To perform a Leap Attack, tap forward on the Left Stick as you press R2
  • To perform a Transformation Attack, press L1 while performing another attack.

 

 

Location

Normal

  • The Hunter's Nightmare. After the Blood River, when you pass through the cave with a tick, where you encounter two dogs and a large amount of crows along with an enemy Beast Cutter hunter. Climb the ladder on the left of the pit and instead of going forward, turn to the left and drop down the ledge. There will be a single piece of loot guarded by a Saif Hunter.

Uncanny Beasthunter Saif

  • If you have the normal version: Create Glyph 8i29rqz3 (Pthumeru Labyrinth) and buy from Bath Messengers up a ladder from the main room for 16,000 Blood Echoes.

Lost Beasthunter Saif

  • If you have the normal version: Create Glyph 8i29rqz3 (Pthumeru Labyrinth) and buy from Bath Messengers up a ladder from the main room for 16,000 Blood Echoes.

 

 

Player Notes

  • Its shortened form has a quick lunging attack as its first R1, making it useful for PvP or agility-focused builds, or closing in after dodging boss attacks. The transformed dash R1 and regular R2 also has a slightly further step forward compared to most weapons. This allows successive, aggressive, gap-closing attacks. Although the lunge does not reset when the combo is done, so R1 spamming won't launch you forward every 4 attacks
  • Transforming from the curved sword form to the shortened version will perform a quick gap closing attack, lunging you forward to "close" the weapon
  • Transforming from the shortened to the curved sword, however, will perform a disengaging attack, dodging backward.
  • Unlike the Saw Cleaver and Saw Spear, the Saif actually flips directions when transforming. In both modes, the same blade on the outer edge is used to attack, while the saw weapons use different blades in different modes. The few times the inner edge is used is the untransformed dash R1, the initial transformation attack and the untransformed and uncharged R2.
  • Though the transformed form fights a lot like the saw blades, it is not serrated and therefore does no extra damage to beasts and has a thrust attack on R2.
  • Its transformation is flipped compared to the other Saw weapons, as its extended form is the default.
  • The first attack is an uppercut, making it perfect for making books fly everywhere

 

Stats/Scaling

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+0

90 - - - - - - 100 100 E D - D -

+1

99 - - - - - - 100 100 E D - D -

+2

108 - - - - - - 100 100 E D - D -

+3

117 - - - - - - 100 100 E D - D -

+4

126 - - - - - - 100 100 E C - D -

+5

135 - - - - - - 100 100 E C - D -

+6

144 - - - - - - 100 100 E C - D -

+7

153 - - - - - - 100 100 E C - D -

+8

162 - - - - - - 100 100 E C - D -

+9

171 - - - - - - 100 100 D B - C -

+10

180 - - - - - - 100 100 D B - C -

 

 

Movesets & Videos

Regular Moveset
Move Damage Type & Modifier Stamina Effect
R1 Combo 1.00x, 1.02x, 1.04x, 1.05x ?? Slow, overhead swipes with wide arcs, with altering directions after the 2nd swipe.
Quickstep R1 .91x ?? ~ ?? A diagonal sweep from the bottom right to top left.
Dash R1 1.09x ?? (+run) Uses the inner blade to deliver a diagonal swipe from top right to bottom left. Somewhat short and narrow range.
R2 Attack 1.32x ?? A wide, horizontal swipe from right to left.
Charged 1.63x ?? The character does a clockwise 360 turn and delivers an overhead smash to the ground, downing most enemies while delivering blunt damage. (to confirm)
Backstep R2 1.18x    
Dodge .91x ??  
Dash 1.36x ??  
Leap 1.36x ?? (+run)  
Transform Attack 1.045x ?? (+x) The character takes a large step forward while performing a sweeping attack from right to left with the Saif swinging shut.
Transformed Moveset
Move Damage Type & Modifier Stamina Effect
R1 Combo .85x, .89x, .91x, .91x ?? An upwards lunge attack from right to left, followed by swipes from altering directions similar to the untransformed Saw Cleaver and Saw Spear. Slightly slower than the saw weapons, but still fast when compared to other weapons. There is a slight delay before the first lunge that becomes noticeable when hit-trading.
Quickstep R1 .91x ?? ~ ?? An upwards lunge attack similar to the initial transformed R1, but with a shorter lunge.
Backstep R1 .91x    
Dash R1 1.00x ?? (+run) The character moves forward with quick, large steps and attacks with a right to left swipe.
R2 Attack 1.18x ?? Attacks with a forward thrust with the tip of the Saif, with a forward lunge.
Backstep R2 1.13x    
Charged R2 1.45x ?? Slams the Saif to the ground, knocking most enemies down and causing blunt (to confirm) damage.
Dodge R2 ?? ??  
Dash R2 1.27x ?? (+run)  
Leap 1.27x ??  
Transform Attack 1.00x ?? (+x) Transforms the Saif back to the untransformed mode by sweeping the weapon from left to right, while the character dodges backward. 

Trivia

  • The word "saif" is Arabic for "sword."

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    • Anonymous

      18 Jul 2017 06:00  

      I beat the orphan with this without using a single blood vial and only viceral attacking 5 times with 3 18% phys gems and bolt papered on my first try on a newer character 461 ar. Im dubbing this weapon either the beasts talon or fang because theres no way it should have such a simple name when its this good. Holy hells.

      • Anonymous

        14 Jul 2017 14:19  

        Fastest weapon I know of that doesn't require being a dexfag. This paired with a great transformed weapon like the the Holy Moonlight Sword is a helluva lot of fun.

        • Anonymous

          12 Jun 2017 07:15  

          Uncanny with 50STR/25SKL, +65 STR scaling gen, 2XPhys+26.3 gives me AR of 618. Pretty damn good for how fast this weapon is.

          • Anonymous

            01 Apr 2017 19:45  

            I wanted to use this as a second weapon to my main Chikage but it seems to use a lot of stamina I may opt for Rakuyo instead not sure

            • Anonymous

              30 Jan 2017 00:30  

              Getting this thing motivated me to go through the awful chore of farming Bloodstone Chunks. I still haven't upgraded it fully but its speed totally makes up for it so far. Can't wait to see how I fare with it when it's +10. Yeah, there's no serration, but I used the Threaded Cane and Burial Blade up to this point, so I'm used to not having it.

              • Anonymous

                29 Dec 2016 06:51  

                Hardest enemies encountered through my NG+2 run:
                1. Orphan of Kos
                2. The ************************ who guards this weapon.
                3. Everyone else. I really don't even recall.
                For real, this guy drove me up the wall.

                • Anonymous

                  20 Dec 2016 03:43  

                  The greatest strength for the saif seems to be it's ability to lock enemies in a combo chain, whether transformed or no. Non-transformed, it's heavy swings tend to lock larger enemies in its range, causing them to recoil just enough for more and more combos. Even Gascoigne didn't stand a chance against it, last I fought him. As for the retracted form, faster creatures like the scourge beasts and the bloodlickers are totally powerless. The only drawback is its lack of serration, but it's not exactly necessary when you can fill out a chain, retreat, rinse and repeat.

                  Now if only it's blood gem fortification game was a bit stronger...

                  • Anonymous

                    10 Dec 2016 04:23  

                    Extremely agile and deadly to a fault, this weapons is an extremely viable hit and run weapon when transformed however the lack of a serated edge leaves it wanting in say, bosses like the bloodstarved beast (assuming anyone still does the flamesprayer spam strategy). players should keep in mind that transformed it has a slower swing speed compared to the saw cleaver's transformed mode, and will be the cause of many deaths without practice. To the hunter willing to put the time and effort into fortifying and getting used to the unusual moveset it's an extremely viable pvp and pve weapon for those who are experenced with bloodborne, but may not be skilled enough to try some of the more difficult weapons

                    • Anonymous

                      Uncanny & Lost in the same dungeon03 Sep 2016 21:33  

                      Just check the Bath Messengers in the standard Great Isz Chalice Layer 3

                      • Anonymous

                        Workable on an arcane build?31 Aug 2016 05:37  

                        I absolutely love this weapon, but it doesn't really fit into the builds of any of my characters. I am also REALLY digging the Logarius wheel on my arcane character, and was thinking that this thing would fills in the holes of the wheel's moveset pretty nicely. I know it wouldn't be top-tier damage, but if I tossed some bolt or fire gems into this thing, would it's damage output be high enough to be workable as my secondary weapon?

                        • Anonymous

                          no messengers, but patches24 Jul 2016 19:26  

                          So I went to dungeon 8i29rqz3, and instead of there being the bath messengers, patches was there instead. It would seem that once you befriend patches he replaces the bath messengers in dungeons, and his items don't cost anymore than buying it from the dungeon messengers.

                          • Anonymous

                            Movesets05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                            The moveset of this weapon in my opinion, makes the most aggressive weapon. The style and utility of its attacks are perfect. This weapon is Bloodborne Incarnate.

                            • Anonymous

                              the real skill cleaver05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                              dont get me wrong the saw spear is fantastic, but the saif outclasses it almost every aspect, its so fast and has so much lunge, this thing is going to be a beast in pvp

                              • Anonymous

                                Tough choices05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                I'm in love with this thing's moveset. It feels like it has all the aggression and pressure that was Blade of Mercy's potential without the limitation of such short range. However, I'm hesitant to commit to it over BoM because I haven't come to a conclusion on two things: 1) Is the B Skill and C Arcane scaling from S and B worthwhile when I'm a skill build that gives arcane the time of day and 2) yeah, the moveset has the range BoM was lacking, but I already had Burial Blade at the ready to cover for it. They work so well together that I kind of don't want to break up the pair. <br/>I'm probably just indecisive and afraid of change and need to accept this rad new weapon, but I'm curious. How much and in what ways do you think the Saif is better than BoM, and what weapon would you say covers the Saif's shortcomings like BB does for BoM? Is there one? Would you just keep BB at the ready?

                                • Anonymous

                                  Such weak damage mods in transformed?05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                  Why do all the transformed attacks have a damage mod lower than 1x? I really love the move-set on this weapon and would take this over saw cleaver if the mods didn't suck the way they do...Cleavers transform attack mods are 1.3x even PLUS serrated.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Has anyone noticed this?05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                    It seems that both the saif and the whirligig saw deal both blunt AND thrusting damage! I can see how the saw could be one or the other in tricked/untricked form, but how the saif could do both seems ungodly! This weapon is insane.

                                    • Anonymous

                                      Well... this is interesting.05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                      You can find both the Uncanny Version and Lost Version of this weapon and ALL dlc weapons in the Hintertomb chalice where you get the Madman's set (The third and last floor is where this is found). All of this can be found in a messenger fountain in an up-the-latter room within a small room.

                                      • Anonymous

                                        Added comments.05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                        Added some moveset descriptions and notes, but I'm not familiar with the untransformed mode (for obvious reasons). Will come back to it after a while. BTW, I can't seem to get back my password for the forum with the normal link, anyone know how I can get it back?

                                        • Anonymous

                                          Beasthunter? Nope!05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                          This is the ultimate weapon of Hunter of Hunters, sorry BoM, sorry Chikage, sorry LHB, sorry BB... This weapon has speed, this weapon has range, this weapon is powerfull! This isn't a tool for killing beasts this is for hunters!

                                          • Anonymous

                                            So how much extra damage are we talking with a B Scaling?05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                            Is that worth putting points into Skill or is the scaling negligible? Can it be used as simple base damage like the Saw Cleaver?

                                            • Anonymous

                                              Incorrect note05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                              The page states that the inner edge is used only for dashing r1. This is incorrect. If you observe closely, the inner edge is used in the transformation attack for both forms. The blade to snapped shut when tricking, then when reverting back to standard, the moment of the swing pulls the cleaver apart. Opening in the other manner wouldn't make sense, the blade would need to have more acceleration than the hilt to whip itself open if trying to open using the outer blade. This could only happen at the end of the swing, not at the beginning. Thus it must be the inner edge.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                Transformation05 Jul 2016 14:49  

                                                I was wondering how does this thing actually change forms do you like hold it in a different way or does the blade twist around when transforming back to sword mode?.

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